ret talks about Korea and TeamLiquid Starleague
Posted by Patrik "Raistlin" Hellstrand 2 years ago
Jos "ret" de Kroon will be entering the TeamLiquid Starleague's third round on Sunday. GosuGamers caught the in-Korea Zerg player earlier this Saturday.ret ended in seventh place in the ladder, and therefore earned a place in the third round of the qualifier. On Sunday, he is up against Romanian Zerg Adrian "FlaF" Popescu in a direct Round of 16 qualification match.
How does it feel to enter the qualification rounds just NOW, and skipping the first two rounds?
- Feels to me like it was worth the effort put into the ladder stage, every round represents a certain risk of getting eliminated. So the fewer rounds the better.
Were there any results in the previous rounds that surprised you? And do you feel FlaF's win over G5 was to your favor?
- No real surprises for me, the only small surprise was ghosta beating marwin in TvT, there were a lot of matches that could have gone either way, and all the clear favourites won their matches. I don't really think it matters whether I play G5 or Flaf, both are good players and I would be prepared either way.
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I feel my ZvZ is in tune with my other matchups in terms of skill. My TvZ was probably better though back when I played it a lot.- I will be playing Zerg throughout the series. I've been playing a lot of ZvZ the past week(s) and have another courage tournament next weekend, in which I will have to play zerg as well.
And how is the transitioning to ZvZ going? Do you rate yourself as good in it as in TvZ?
- Well it's a different matchup. In TvZ, if you are the best player, you will rarely lose a game. In ZvZ you can be the best, and still drop games occasionally, that's why people call it a coin-flip. But I feel my ZvZ is in tune with my other matchups in terms of skill. My TvZ was probably better though back when I played it a lot.
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It's a shame the way things turned out. And being out here certainly hasn't been good on my wallet.- I'm going home on the 28th, and playing one last courage tournament on the 24th. Regardless of the result, I will be heading home 4 days later. All in all I've only been in the estro house for about 3 weeks, it's a shame the way things turned out. And being out here certainly hasn't been good on my wallet.

When did you sense that your trip would not work out as you had hoped? What were the key issues that made your goals shatter?
- Well, it's basically just the way I was treated in the estro house, language barrier, not feeling comfortable, all those kind of things. I won't go into details, but after a while I just couldn't take it anymore. I really wanted to give it my all to be a 'progamer', but I found out shortly after my arrival that some Koreans just don't give you any respect. I was playing iccup by myself all day. I felt very alone, and after a while that gets extremely tedious and you start to wonder why you are trying your best for these people. When I left there, I had hopes for joining another team, but that turned out unlikely.
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I do not want to be a token foreigner who is just there because he's white, my pride is too big for that. - They can pay for my trip back to Korea if they actually really do want me and treat me with courtesy you would expect for someone who travels halfway across the globe for you. Other than that I'm not spending another $ trying to join a korean proteam. It's not like I expect the world but showing interest in each other's game, occasionally playing with you, talking about the game, are things I did expect when living in a house with other SC players, none of that happend the 1st time around however.
I do not want to be a token foreigner who is just there because he's white, my pride is too big for that. I still believe my ZvP and ZvT are certainly not worse than korean b-teamers right now, and the games I did play in the house backed up that statement. But none of that mattered.
What plans do you have when you come back to Netherlands?
- Probably work untill september, when the new school year starts, then I'll have to make a choice between SC2 (if that is out by then) or resuming my academic carreer.
How big chances do you feel you have in winning the whole TSL? Who do you see as your biggest contenders for the title?
- Well, obviously my preprations for the event has not been ideal. But I will look at it round by round, and try to find time to practice in pc bangs while I'm in Korea, and after spending some time with family I will find time to practice back in my old appartment there as well. Winning the whole thing is a very difficult task for anyone except maybe IdrA, but if I play well I do have a shot. Biggest contenders as far as I can tell from the Ro16 bracket, is IdrA, who will make it to the final, and kolll is a very tough player in my side of the bracket.

Another player in your bracket side is Draco, who just like you left Korea after a period of time. Do you have more respect for the foreigners who went to Korea to give it a shot just for that reason?
- I have immense respect for IdrA, who has stuck it out through all the shit he gets from Koreans for 2 years now. To overcome that you need an iron will and able to take a lot of crap that you don't deserve at all. And obviously I have respect for anyone who tried in the past, left everything behind and went into a very hostile foreign enviroment with a complete change of lifestyle. It's a very ballsy move, and regardless of succes or failure, all who did it deserve credit for trying.
What do you think of the chosen maps? New Tornado and Fighting Spirit are just a couple of months old, have you practiced them enough?
- Yes, I have practised them plentifull, fighting spirit is also a courage map and recently I added Tornado into the practice mix. Both are standard maps, I don't really have an opinion on them, although I do prefer 2 or 3 player maps over 4 player maps.
Final question: If you had to choose, which would you rather win: TSL or the next Courage tournament, and why?
- TSL, because of the prizemoney, winning courage would be nice to prove a point that non koreans actually can compete, and I know it can be done, but other than my ego it's good for nothing at the moment.
Any final words you want to share?
- Well since this is the first time I've really publically spoken about Korea, I would just like to say thank you to everyone who supported me, and I'm sorry things didn't work out for those who wanted to see me do well. That is all.
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| after reading this i even more believe and agree with rekrul |
| Good choice to come back, ret fuck these estro koreans!! |
| Damn. I really hoped to see you playing for a proteam in a televised match someday. Anyway I know u did your best in korea. GL in TSL2 . U sure will make it to the finals |
| We need a completely foreign proteam! |
| well spoken words ret. Seriously that the koreans doesn't give u any respect that's just not ok. Thats a big issue for ret to stay in korea, that's just sad ;| But now you could at least say "Been there done that" ;| |
| LoC that will be very nice Foreign Team in Korean Pro Scene |
| i remember few years back they wanted to make foreign proteam... someone from ieg but nobody wanted to go, i mean not good players... |
| well, hopefully Ret will stream games for us and not quit playing! And release replays ofc :) |
| #4 nice idea ++1 =) |
| the problem is that he's too old really he knows there's more to life than sc at this point |
| yeah a Foreign Team with : Ret, IdrA, Mondragon, White-Ra, Brat_OK, Kolll, Draco, Dreiven, Dimaga, Strelok and maybe few other gamers like westside and so on would be rlyyyyy cool. But i think thats just a dream xD Anyway i wish Ret the best of luck for his last courage. |
| Gl Ret you gonna need it |
| yeah its dream because at least half of them would never go there... and thats the main problem |
| We can say that maybe Ret was being naive with all gloryfied thoughts and hopes about Korea...but we are human beings that should be treated with respect non the less. I'm pretty sure he didn't get any from the Koreans, which is a shame. I hope that SC2 will bring us Europeans/Americans back on track with progaming. And show those Koreans that they will have to fight a lot harder if they want to continue as the best in the world. |
| My respect for Ret has skyrocketed even more. I would love to hear all the filthy little details about his treatment in the prohouse. Please do another interview Raistlin!!! #11 That lineup would be a killer team for sure! Dreams :P |
| Fragster.de: http://www.fragster.de/artikel/11168/ret -wirft-das-handtuch-ret-beendet-traum-vom-pro-gaming-in-korea_sc/ German article with background information. |
| Yeah, I guess he didn't know how much he had to sacrifice to succeed. GL in the future! |
| 14 i think at beging europe and usa will be able to compete but by the time koreans and chinese will be wining because they are much more crazier with the gaming. and its not because progaming is big in their countries ... progaming is so big there because they are so crazy |
| I know it's not about that but I think the passions will be strong enough here to demand to BAN KOREANS FROM THE FOREIGN LEAGUES. |
| #1 > Yeah everything that ret had to say pretty much confirmed rekrul's whole write-up about Korean progaming. |
| 19 at the begining there will be a lot of tournaments made by big company... doubt that anyone will want to ban someon from it... now comunity make tournament but when SC 2 will be out tournament will make comunity |
| on the bright side hopefully he will start stream again |
| not that positive, but he is maybe right, need to make a decision on his own and not go after our wishes Idea of a foreigner pro team sounds quite nice, is it a worth a try to make it reality? |
| I was obviously joking. Kespa would obviously not sanction it. |
| To be honest, after all community that was cheering and had faith for Ret - he is quiting without a fight. What he did think that Koreans will praise him and jump on him to play 0-24 with some white dude? Life is a bitch, spc. when you are in env. like South Korea where discipline and order is everything. Also, what's the point playing courage if he don't intent to stay in South Korea? Ego boost? It's ridicilous because he will fail again. Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against Ret, far from that - I think he is OK guy but you can't say you were dreaming of being progamer and leave it when first barrier comes inf front of you. |
| except when you run out of money, ever thought of that? Do you think it's cheap to live in Korea for 4 months? no? didn't think so. |
| also is quite obvious estro was just fooling around, as they always do, btw this week i saw GosI playing against them, kinda gay imo. |
| @26 Well, you should know that before you went there, don't you think? I mean, you did knew how much is big your overall budget? And don't be cocky, I didn't say anything bad... and when you are pulling my tongue, I am living alone with my girlfriend supporting her without any help so I know value of money. Thanks on giving me heads up. |
| Do you realise I went there under the impression I would be living with eStro? Making a budget in case it doesnt work out and live by urself in korea accomplishing nothing but wasting money? I was able to stay 4 months because im not poor and I did make a budget, if I was poor it would have been over the moment I was out of estro. |
| #28 u're being harsh for no reason tbh how do you tell someone he's an "ok guy" lol you don't even personally know the guy you're talking about |
| Sorry to hear that, good luck ret. Getting a pro ain't everything, and you deserve respect for trying (especially since you spent money of your own for the dream). |
| You have to earn respect. |
| still #25 has a point. come on, it's korea... you put in ally you have or you just got kicked in the balls :). |
| fuck those koreans.. I have always said koreans are 100% stupid. Its not worth staying if you are not feeling welcome. Come back home and you will win the TSL;) you deserve it! |
| gl ret:) would be nice to see u winning courage to shut them up:) |
| ret didnt play zvz, he had 24 years, he didnt have discipline big mistake to go to korea |
| how u guys all know more about the situation than ret himself... he gave it a try but the barriers were just too high. how can you judge his personality if you dont know a shit? ret: I'm sad that you couldnt achieve what you wanted to. Just bash next courage and tsl! GL HF man! |
| "i have to make a choice with SC2 and academic career" omfg if somebody is flippin coins with those options he must be really sick person. Relying your future on videogame is just pure stupidity :( even if sc was a nice game |
| sc2 foreigners will kick koreans asses like warcraft3 |
| Why are so many people so narrow minded. In my opinion koreans generated their own very special world of gaming which has its own well established and strict rules. They are really fine with what they have so why should they be forcing themselves to be extra nice for a guy who is just different. I think its not that they try to make it hard for ret they just dont give a shit, at all. Im not taking the korean side, but saying "stupid koreans dont help on purpouse'' is ignorant. The subject is much more complicated so at least try to look at it from a wider point of view. also #4 +1, lets hope for a solid sponsor for SC2 to make such team. |
| #30 How am I "a bit harsh" if I say I think guy is OK and I don't even know him? It doesn't make any sense, your statement is contradictory because if I don't personally know him and I say I think he's ok that makes me good manner |
| Proves a point not only are Americans bm and disrespectful (not all) but so are koreans! |
| I still own you a cookie for winning GosuCup, ret. :P Keep your head up, you're the man! |
| I'm sure a "ret fund" could raise all the money you would need in short order, but you have to ask... |
| world pro vs korea |
| #41 If you get a guy on your team, you would do all you could in order to make that guy feel at home...support him and make him part of the team. But they dont got the same mentality as us unfortunatly. I for one dont get why they even invited him, when they dont want to take care of him. All beginning is hard. And Koreans should be a little friendlier |
| gg and best of luck, ret - I hope the see on the stage in SC2 |
| =_=;; |
| #4 Yes! We need a Foreign Proteam!!!! |
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