That's a good way to deal with legitimate criticism: 'Haters'!' I'll have to remember that.
Blog 12/16/11, 4:57 PM
#23 Here is the thing: Can you show AT ALL where these EG guys are making these claims about how they are "more talented" than the Chinese? Pardon my bluntness, but I've got to call bullshit on that one.
I've talked with some of these players quite a few times on exactly this issue, and nothing like what you are saying was expressed. They were very well aware that it would be hard to compete against these teams under any given conditions, training or whatever. They are aware of how huge the scene is in China (on TV and all the rest) and how many people compete for each top spot. I believe for some strange reason, most likely for rationalizing their own vitriol, people build up in their minds an image of them as extreme chauvinists, who really need to be put down and shamed. But this is not close to reality. What they will say is that they believe in themselves as players of this game, and that given time to build a team together they can COMPETE with anyone. If this is the attitude people are hating EG for, then it's coming very close to the notion that EG is getting 'uppity'. (As if because who they are they have no right to even claim the ability to compete at the highest level). That's something disturbing.
Blog 12/16/11, 4:50 PM
#17 Actually, if people are all the time and in every thread posting that EG should "quit Dota" because they are "worse than four random Chinese pubbers" etc. etc., I would say that easily counts as heavy animosity.
Blog 12/15/11, 10:30 PM
Drayich seems to have a love / hate relationship with this game vs. game fighting. On the one hand, he's the ref who calls for peace, maturity, etc. On the other hand, he stirs up more noise on this issue than anyone.
Blog 12/13/11, 8:32 PM
Yo, nobody reasonable would blame Malaysia in general for this debacle. It's encouraging that people from there are being critical in a rational way about the fairness issue, rather than knee-jerk defending the people who are local. I'm sure if there is a clear, public commitment to change how teams like EG will be treated, teams will want to flock to Kuala Lumpur. As it is now, after reading MrBlue, they are quite satisfied with how EG was treated and how the tourney went (with a couple minor issues).
Blog 12/6/11, 4:45 PM
This tournament seems, by a diverse range of accounts, to have been a disaster. It included, most importantly, a gravely unfair decision to force EG to remake after they had won a massive advantage.
This kind of situation needs serious and objective criticism by the rest of the Dota world, in order for things to improve and for SMM to have any credibility in the future.
Your reaction that the tournament was good / fine with a few small issues here and there seems entirely inappropriate. I wonder, by way of random coincidence, if you had extensive contact with the organizers / those responsible for the decisions?
This by the way is really a disgusting statement: "If a team is confident in winning their game, they would not mind the remake." Actually, it doesn't matter one tiny bit how confident they feel with themselves. That's totally irrelevant in a tournament and you have just won a sure victory, but are being forced into a do-over. No matter how good you are, the last thing you want to be is forced to do the same thing over, when the opponents can now adjust and attack the weak parts of your strategy. That statement is so over-the-top absurd, I think it has to be meant as provocation to EG / EG supporters.
Blog 12/5/11, 8:28 PM
#63 The flaw in what you are saying is the notion that EG had to realize only in the heat of the moment that they were wronged or lose forever their chance to do anything on their own behalf about it. That's not reasonable and there's no kind of 'statute of limitations' on a protest issue.
They were faced with an immediate decision of forfeit or play again. Not surprisingly, they didn't refuse to play. But as time went on they realized the situation wasn't right (obviously losing played the major part in that) and mind up their minds, making the obviously right decision of rejecting the tournament conditions. They made the honorable move, even if it would have been more impressive to take that action before the remake.
Blog 12/4/11, 6:07 PM
When some person or organization treats you in a remarkably bad fashion, it shows lack of spine and principle to just accept what was done and move on, perhaps looking to impress people by winning games or earning some bucks.
By protesting, they take a stand about what is and is not acceptable to do to these teams.
They also sent a message to Western organizations about whether it is worth it or not for teams to send their players to these conditions. Be sure that other sponsors are seeing what SMM 2011 did to EG, which might not have been in the headlines otherwise.
So yes, in some situations quitting a tournament is absolutely the necessary and moral action, and not merely a respectable one. If you are in search of similar examples, see the long history of walk-outs in sports. Teams and athletes have refused to play due to unfair treatments of teams or people, and I would honor them for that. They are not 'quitters' but people with a basic sense of fairness and integrity.