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omnisius
Human vs Undeads (8708 reads, 21 replies, 1 year ago)
Hi ! i want your opinion. What race is better between UD and HU? i think UD>HU, but i want to be sure. Thanks all.
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Generally Ud>Hu, but some human players are monsters against undead.
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Eli_king
This match up is balanced imo ,since the undead can harass and human rly fast and rly hard,but too the human has to get the skill to defend himself from the undead and get the instruments of defeating the undead at the late game.
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Cechi
This mu is balanced, but on some maps Hu got advantage with items.. ;)
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Rosenkill
In my opinion human is undead's worst match up. Certain maps are nothing less than freeloss for undead if the players are of equal skill.
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ArsenalFotballClub
Am < ud

Mk > ud
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sixjax.dde
its hu > ud if human can expo really easily such as ei . Ud > hu if human cant do any expo at all (amazonia or SV) generally hu = ud
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ZeuS.xD
mk,pala,bmage >>>>>>dk,lich,cl and #1 thats not general only hu players say it
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Cechi
In my opinion is undead's worst mu vs orc... But now I don't know what is worse if MK with exp or abuse from warden :D
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Rosenkill
In general its really few maps that favors undead in this match up. Its a myth to believe that human cant fast expand on maps besides the obvious human favored maps ei, ts, mv.
SV is pretty good for human since the expo is pretty easy to creep and you have a health fountain available in case you should screw up and get your am/mk low.
TM is pretty good because of the lab creeping. Which gives you instant lvl 2½ (almost 3 if you get exp tome) and a good item drop, as well as access to the fun stuff from the lab. Putting up the exe can be tough compared to other maps, but once its secured tm is one of the best maps for human.

The maps that truely sucks for undead are ei, mv and ts. On those maps the human can fast creep a merc camp and expand really easy. The expand is almost impossible to stop and you just cant beat human 1 base vs 2.

The remaining maps : ai, az and tr are in general maps where it is hard for human to fast expand. But that doesnt have to mean that ud > hu on those maps. A player like thorzain has proven several times that you can beat undead without expanding.

The general conception that ud > hu is from a time where humans didnt know how to deal with the destroyer push. Alot of players still have problems with it, but on top level the human players have mastered the counter leaving undead without a so called advantage vs human.
Even a player like Ted has stated that his worst match up is vs human.
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mansnicks
between PRO players hu>ud mainly

between low skilled players ud > hu

between all other is the MU balanced.

When will people start to understand that the balance in a MU depends on the player skills? Just like orc>ud only if players are skilled and ud>orc between not so skilled players.
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Cechi
I hate Th000's style vs Human... He fails with exp so he just tech with BM and still win ;)
Btw where TeD stated it ? :)
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ToLDK
Imo its a pretty balanced MU.
Human just need to pay atettion to nukes (buying inv pot and scrolls) and defending UD harass well not letting DK creepjack etc. But if human dominate that, UD will have problems.
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itsRaining-
Couldnt agree more with rosenkill. Human is by far my hardest mu already for a long time. Expanding is so easy for human and it really requires some fucking up/bad luck to fail the fe. And once the human gets the expo up, all he has to do is buy some time and after that its pretty much over.

Humans just need to get lvl 3 asap, start building the expo with a couple of towers, and then just perma harras acos so ud has no chance of pushing.
''Scissors are OP, rock is fine.'' - Paper
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Rosenkill
#11 eh cant remember actually ^^ Its a very long time ago... it was in some interview
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al_7774
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Fabozi
it took a while but i found it
http://www.sk-gaming.com/content/23343-WETeD_Human_players_have_too_many_tactics
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Cechi
díky ti ;) = thx ;)
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Huang_Feng
not enough whine about orcs?
ughh i think mk/pala as 1st on small maps vs uds(except sv) is pretty imba,when you can get mercs too and ur lvl 3 hero is killing everything....
p.s. remember Thorzain vs Happy on ei,1tower>all air,mk>all rest+some air
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Cechi
#18 Bolt is too long time it should be like 1 second smaller or 0.75 xD
But don't wanna whine here, when Thorzain didnt creep merc and didnt buy troll I couldnt believe he won that game :D
+ UD vs HU on somemaps where can mk get fast 3 lvl and mana poti or pendant is some "imba"
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TedImba
ud=hum
but all>ud
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