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Namikaze
Counter for druid of talon (12491 reads, 45 replies, 1 year ago)
Please tell me how to counter the nightelfs druid of the talon strategy. I only make spirit walkers to cancel their faerie fire .. please tell me more how to counter them..
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1 year ago
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saxen
if you want to follow the conventional strategy watch replays and pick up the orc player's technique

but i would recommend using early aggression and/or tier 2 tower push. seems to work on me
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Namikaze
thx..
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1 year ago
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ArsenalFotballClub
Eh, just dont let the elf play his game. Try to cancel his t2 buildings and keep the pressure on. When you get your 2nd hero out, creep him to lvl 2 and fuck him up. I recommend going sh instead of tc since the guy is pretty much useless before lvl 3.
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1 year ago
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Eli_King
Just watch replays ....and make BM+TC/SH+Raider+SPirit walkers...shockwave the talons,ensnare them with raider and attack them..dispell the dearie fire and the cyclone,kill his heroes while the are nerby ur heroes,,,and train!
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1 year ago
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mansnicks
Pick BM.
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Eli_King
There are 5 good ways to counter talon..:
1.I told in #4..
2.make BM+TC/SH+MAASSS wyvern that pwn talons in a minute or just hero focus with them.
3.Make BM+SH+radier+spirit walker,Hex an elf hero,ensnare from prevent any elf hero move or staff back home,dispell any cyclone,Hero focus ,and when a hero seek to TP at low HP,Hex him and kill him before he does,and then the talons do not worth nothing without heroes ,ensnare them all and kill them,then go to the elf base,kill the altar and the elf surrounders.
4.Make BM and hire Naga ,get raider,then tinker,fortified defence and a few demolishers and go tower rush the elf base,the demolishers and the orc army kill the talons while a few army and the heroes kill the elf heroes,while you do this,build towers with the fortified defence and that's just chop down the nearby talons and you can let your demolishers to be behind the towers for a better gaurd and destroy the elf base,and the elf surrounders...
5.harass how much you can the elf withlvl 2 BM and grunts,then get SH and go to the elf base after an army restore/healing ,meanwhile you attack him back get 2 beastires,or 1 spirit ludge togheter with 1 beastiary if you do not feel confident that you'll beat the elf in the harass,you beat the elf if you focus his heroes and chop down a few wips,and then the elf is just poor if you destroy the altar too.

I hope It was help , AND IM RLY RLY RLY SRY FOR MY ENGLISH!
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Namikaze
Thx guys...
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1 year ago
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Eli_King
np man ^^
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mansnicks
2010-07-11 15:07, Eli_King wrote:

2.make SH+MAASSS wyvern that pwn talons in a minute or just hero focus with them.

You know.. you WON'T win any decent player with this. Why? Do you even know how the talons IN BIRDS FORM own those wind riders? ofc you can say that you can put some bat riders in your army, but what's the problem for the talons to kill fast the bat riders from ground and than transform into birds form and own those wind riders? I'm pretty much sure you don't know how talons can slaughter those wind riders when they are at birds form..
2010-07-11 15:07, Eli_King wrote:
3.Make BM+SH+radier+spirit walker,Hex an elf hero,ensnare from prevent any elf hero move or staff back home,dispell any cyclone,Hero focus ,and when a hero seek to TP at low HP,Hex him and kill him before he does,and then the talons do not worth nothing without heroes ,ensnare them all and kill them,then go to the elf base,kill the altar and the elf surrounders.

omg.. against what elves did you play that you think that you can win elf so easy...
you know - sh = fail vs talons. ofc it's not an instant loose but it's way harder to win talons with sh than with TC.
For the SH vs talons thing - Eli_King forgot to write that your SH needs to use those "snake wards" or what ever they are called + you need demolishers.
So don't forget - if you fail and pick SH vs talons then build demolishers and use those snake wards ;)
2010-07-11 15:07, Eli_King wrote:
4.Make BM and hire Naga ,get raider,then tinker,fortified defence and a few demolishers and go tower rush the elf base,the demolishers and the orc army kill the talons while a few army and the heroes kill the elf heroes,while you do this,build towers with the fortified defence and that's just chop down the nearby talons and you can let your demolishers to be behind the towers for a better gaurd and destroy the elf base,and the elf surrounders...

Against any decent player you will be dead even before you start going for the tower rush my dear Eli_King.
btw. Yes - Naga isn't anything unusual. In fact it's a good pick if you have done some massive damage to the elf during the T1 time - just go and finish him off :)
where did you get the idea to play with 3 heroes with orc vs elf anyway? that's just dumb :/
2010-07-11 15:07, Eli_King wrote:
5.harass how much you can the elf withlvl 2 BM and grunts,then get SH and go to the elf base after an army restore/healing ,meanwhile you attack him back get 2 beastires,or 1 spirit ludge togheter with 1 beastiary if you do not feel confident that you'll beat the elf in the harass,you beat the elf if you focus his heroes and chop down a few wips,and then the elf is just poor if you destroy the altar too.

OKKKKK. Now I have 2 questions for Eli_King.
Haven't you REALLY never played against elf who closes his base at the start of the game so that BM can't kill wisps or cancel his T2 buildings? Haven't you really never played against elf who is destroying your burrows at the start of T2 and canceling your T2 buildings just to deley you?
Have you ever thought about that why pros allways play the same strat against talons?
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Eli_King
OK I'll explain :
my 2nd tactic:Yes I forgot to say "add bats" and I'm sorry ...
my 3rd tactic:I meant to what I wrote,Just focus his heroes,kill them and then the talon worth nothing,and just ensnare them all andkill them too...Idk what to tell either.but demolishers can serve me loyaly too..
my 4th tactic:All is ok but a third hero for this tactic is great :) I play usually BM+NAGA+Tinker ,I use the tinker that he'll deal damege with his pocket factory that good with an add of towers :) believe me =D .
my 5th tactic: answer of question 1:While the elf creep with an AOW I do an harass vs the elf's wisp,and when the elves forces come and that AOW seek to block my acces to the base outside , I just get the heck out of there.and when that base is close I send a peon and I staff into the eld's base and maybe and then the AOW open his place wide,and I let my grunt to tear the elf in the base.usually moon well raze or enteleganed gold mine raze... even when the elf hits T2 I cancel the damn t2 buldings...
Answer for question 2:I can get back to my base at any moment and prevent the evil elf from beign chop my borrows...or I just stay at his base and make more dmg with grunts and I staff back with my Bm and let my borrows attack when peons inside...and I can too hide my t2 buildings.
answer for question 3: Yes I thought why pros make the same start vs orc,and It's not bad but some harass here and there can help...

I hope you did understand me even with my noob English =(.
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mansnicks
2nd tactic only vs noobs works
3rd tactic only vs noobs works(I mean the "Hero focus and I win" thing)
4th tactic only vs noobs works
5th tactic only vs noobs because wisps [or the whole base] is closed with moon wells/altar/shop[some times with and some times without shop].

about that "I send a peon and I staff into the eld's base"
I [with elf] played one time vs orc that done that. the wisps i called out of base and with army i killed all orc burrows and gg.

You see - all your "great tactics".. I have played against all of them. And i know what i say when i say that it won't work against skilled players. Since they work for you then it's clear that you play vs players that are not skilled. mby average players but not skilled. and since you have to play against such skilled players then I must conclude that you aren't skilled either.

But hey. let's stop this shit talk, okey? you wont agree with me and I won't agree with you. So it's pointless for us to continue this conversation.
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mansnicks
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Namikaze
Please dont fight ... im just asking how to counter the druids..
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Eli_King
Mansnicks I just tried to help him that he'll try this
the other tactic I do not use often I have to admit...But sometimes I beat skilled player with that (saw their stats....) but you are right,no one can feel donfident if it work vs skilled players,So I did but sometimes I fail ^^ sry ^^
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Cechi
Fatekira read once more 5th post :D:D:D:D
#5 n1 :D
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Eli_King
THE MOST EASIEST TACTIC TO DEFEAT THIS TACTIC IS TO BUILD ALTER,PICK AND HERO CALLED THE BLADEMASTER,SKILL THE CIRITCAL STRIKE ,GO ATTACK THE ELF AND WAIT SOFTLY FOR THE WIN!
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Evilm
go blademaster, fortify with towers, non-stop harash elf's base, while teching to T3, where you will do burrow/tower amor upgrade + mass bats with oil and with them just own elf's base. If you are a hardcore player, you can go grúnts at start instead of fast tech and mass tower :-P
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Eli_King
2010-07-12 17:31, Evilm wrote:
go blademaster, fortify with towers, non-stop harash elf's base, while teching to T3, where you will do burrow/tower amor upgrade + mass bats with oil and with them just own elf's base. If you are a hardcore player, you can go grúnts at start instead of fast tech and mass tower :-P


WTF? This tactic is so halirious!!!! HAHA!!!!


p.s.: I'll try it for stop laugh maybe :-P But this tactic is looking so halirous ,Idk where did you bring it from.O.O
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Eli_King
Sorry I had a double post
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whodaphukami
mass peons
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