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2 years ago

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hoak

Wow, a master candidate talking nonsense. Btw, from what you are writing, I highly doubt that you are getting a master degree. Too much grammar and spelling errors that I don't understand many of your sentences.

1/ I don't understand what you are saying here. Check your grammar and spelling. From what I guess, you're saying Vietnam War and Iraq War are not the same. I thought you did not get the point here, let me repeat it to you: NEVERTHELESS, ASSISTING, ATTENDING A WAR IS NOT A WAY TO HELP OTHER COUNTRY, OR HELPING THE WORLD. YOUR CHINA WAS NOT HELPING THE WORLD BY ATTENDING VIETNAM WAR. PERIOD.

2/ You said "you proved those islands belong to China for historically by wiki." C'mon, look at that wiki page again. There are 2 LINES about Chinese remnants on some islands (and no figure, no documents) and about HALF THE PAGE saying how Vietnam has been maintained the islands, who were the Vietnamese officials assigned to those islands and documents about Vietnamese naval force operations on the areas from the 15th century. That means China might visit there but it was Vietnam who controlled and lived on those islands from the 15 century (please don't tell me USA backed us up for seizing those islands in that period). You refused to read that or trying to manipulate the facts?

3/ Also you are so ignorant to say the US backing Vietnam up on those islands. Vietnam and USA are not really good friends from 1975, genius. The US never stood up for Vietnam on international matters.

4/ Why are you keep saying we claimed those islands for half a year? What's the evidence? We have been claimed those islands on so many international conferences and met no objection (even from China), as I showed you on the earlier post.

5/ Why so many countries protested China claim over South China islands? Let me give you an example: when you say something and the whole class of yours say that you're wrong. Well, then there's an excellent chance that you are wrong.

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2 years ago

#142

lordgiant

lol. a Vietnamese guy in USA and a China guy in England took over a USAvsChina thread...

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2 years ago

#143

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#141
Believe it or not, I am taking master degree in Manchester. I didn't mind too much on my grammer or spelling. Don't tell me you really think I reply to your
childish and extreme viewpoints seriously. Buddy, trust me I don't have too much time.
If I suppose to prove the reality of my academic certificate, I would just copy my words and paste those to WORD proceeding grammer and spelling check before posting.

1 As for "Vietnam War", I don't want to bother arguring against you on "good or bad country" issues. I have come to realize how much you relied on your text book and wikipedia.However, China did rebuild and help some countries, like Pakistan,south africa and Arab.
If you need evidences, you can respectively check diplomatic sections of these countries.

With regard to this point, I want make a conclusion. China and US did help many countries rebuild their homes no matter what their motivations and purposes really were.

2 I supposed you had carefully check the wikipedia link I posted.
http://zh.wikipedia.org/zh-cn/%E4%B8%AD%E5%9B%BD%E5%8D%97%E6%B5%B7
I believe you have some classmates from China mainland or Taiwan, you can let them translate for you. If you don't wanna bother doing that kind of stuff.I will do:
PRC:
1958.09.04 The Chairman of North Vietnam Pham Van Dong met Chou En-lai and claimed:"DBVN confess....

1974,Paracel Islands War,PRC took back Paracel Islands and palced them all into Hainan's jurisdiction.

1988,Spratly Island Skirmish ,PRC controled another 7 islands including Johnson Reef.

1992,PRC published "Act Governing the Territorial Sea"

1997,PRC reclaimed the sovereignty of all islands within U-bend territorial waters demarcation line.

2007,State Department(China) set up Sansha City(ps: "San" means "three" in Chinese, the city is consist of Paracel Islands,Nansha Islands and the Zhongsha Islands)
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Vietnam,
Declare that"Based on the theory of continental shelf and history,Vietnam possed all the islands in South Sea and its internal islands."

The underlying reasons :1930, France claimed the sovereignty over Paracel Islands and Nansha Islands and seized the majority of islands.
1974,Paracel Islands War,China lost the sovereignty of Paracel Islands.

Interesting,isn't it? Wikipedia is just combination of different text books from different countries.And from this part, Wikipedia apparently stands by China's side.

3 The relationship between two countries only relies on economic benefit.No permanent enemies, no permanent friends, only permanent interests.

If China take control over the whole South China Sea, that would be not good news to US and countries around South China Sea.1.US more concerned petroleum transport line. 2 South-east countries more concerned abundent submarine oil and other mineral resources. That's why I believe US is your countries' back-up. Because they all wanna stop China from controling South China Sea.

4 I just meant why your countries were so eager to stand your flags on South China Sea.During half a year, more than 500 "bold" islands had been flagged colourfully.
Did that seem normal?If there is no invisible hand behind, what else could result in current situation in China South Sea?

5 "Why so many countries protested China claim over South China islands?"
So what? That only represented these countries aroud South China Sea united against China for the same interests. That's all.Just like the example I mentioned in my last post. 1900, absolute evil"the Eight-Power Allied Forces" invaded China killed thousands of innocent ppl and burnt half Beijing into ashes.
So tell me how come? Just think about vietnam's history of invasion from France Japan British and China(your opinion).Tell me why so many countries invaded vietnam.Because vietnam did something wrong?
Maybe you will say these are past stories.But let me remind you that war happens everyday,we call that"EconomicWar". From this angel, that makes no differences.

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2 years ago

#144

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no_bingo

2010-02-09 10:04, kenG wrote:
#141

1 As for "Vietnam War", I don't want to bother arguring against you on "good or bad country" issues. I have come to realize how much you relied on your text book and wikipedia.

BUAHHAHAHAHHAHAHA if you are implying what I think you are then you are an absolute idiot. I expect this kind of crap only from retarded liberals(I generally split liberals into 2 groups the retards and non retards

) and westerners. Actually THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I WOULD EXPECT FROM A TEXTBOOK.

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2 years ago

#145

GoodnighT-

Guys, just give this up already. Unless you're the president of Vietnam or China or whatever, what you say won't make a difference. And yes, no one gives a shit, so stop wasting your time.

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2 years ago

#146

kaldal

Yeah keng give it up you are not going to convice anybody. China is a f..king communist dictatorship. Violation of human rights, Destruction of the environment and a threat to its neighbours. Thats what China 2010 is all about.

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2 years ago

#147

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Terran_Messiah

2010-01-30 19:08, hyouro wrote:
Listen Listen Listen people. China are not exactly saints here. Taiwan want's to be independant but China won't allow it.

And why won't they allow it?...fuck knows, they are just power hungry.

Why do people think like this? Lets view it a different way ok? The American South WANTED to be independent but U.S. didn't allow them it. America had a civil war based on different ideologies. Spreading slavery to the west, stop it all together, or stop the slave trade who cares. A civil war broke out in which the north and south fought. Obviously the north won and brutally took back the territories in the south. So whats so different about the struggle between China and Taiwan even though Taiwan was China's territory after WWII. How is this any different than the American Civil War on a ideology basis not a principle basis. The only difference is no other countries interfered and allied with the South like the U.S. did with Taiwan.

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2 years ago

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wgt-baal

#121 : Ever heard of General Lafayette?

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2 years ago

#149

Terran_Messiah

2010-02-09 20:48, wgt-baal wrote:
#121 : Ever heard of General Lafayette?

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2 years ago

#150

hoak

Ok, KenG, I give it up here. I cannot understand half of what you were saying in the last post. Please try to copy what you wrote and ask your English teacher if he/she could understand what you were trying to say.

As #146 said and I believe most people here agree that China is a sh***t a** country. So you're going nowhere trying to convince otherwise. You and I should not waste any more time. Bye.

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2 years ago

#151

kenG

This is my final statement here.
#150
I did post this to a German friend on Facebook.He seemed to have much stronger comprehension than you.Otherwise you did know what I talked about,you quit just because you can't provide more consistent proof any more.
Even though China is the most evil country in the world, vietnam robbering its territory is not somthing to admire either.

#146
Your words have nothing to do with my post.I know China govt sux indeed.But don't mix up anything against me. I am just talk about territory issues.

#144
I generally split wise ppl into two groups the real wises and the self-righteous wises.Normally I call the latter "idiots" .

#147
Good point.

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2 years ago

#152

agk

so this mean its over already?? actly i love to read more..but i prefer it with some ethic in this discussion..respect others opinion and this discussion will be great!

peace

TRUST ME, I'M A LIAR!

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2 years ago

#153

defianceWY

that was enjoyable. im from taiwan and i dont want to be a part a china lol. altho some ppl do. china is communist and we are a democracy + i dont like chinese govt at all.

i watch videos of how chinese govt treats ppl, they shoot innocnet tibetans for trying to escape tibet. they dont care for human life, the way they treat tibetans is horrible, im sorry KenG altho u hav nothin to do with ur govt and can do little about it but i still hate china. They want more land and power, its obv, but then so does USA. I dont like either country really, even if usa is helping taiwan, everything the usa ever does has alterior motives and they will do things that somehow benefit them in the long run, basically disguising themselves as heros when they r infact villans as well, if not, the worst villian in the world

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2 years ago

#154

hoak

Damn KenG, you're the most stubborn Chinese I've ever met. Please any English-native person comment on KenG's sentences and grammar and tell him that they don't make a lot of sense. Also, your writing skill is your writing skill. You showed it here. WORD won't help you fixing meaningless paragraphs.

Since you want to talk more (and I just happen to finish my study tonight), let me give you some more arguments (from the part that I can understand)

1/ Your "so-called" evidence is weak at best. You gave me a Chinese wiki page creating by Chineses and talking about Chinese matters? That does not seem to be fair. Find more objective evidence please. Something the many people from other countries use.

2/ In addition to that, all your evidence is just like "China took back," "China reclaimed" etc. We're discussing about China's authority over those islands. Who will recognize what they claimed about the islands that were not theirs to begin with? So what China claimed does not matter until they can provide historical evidence of ownership of those islands.

3/ One more point, all the events you listed were in 1900s. Read from the international Wiki page, there are HALF the pages providing figures, activities of Vietnam on those island dated back from the 15 century (You purposely ignored my arguments here from the earlier post, so I repeat). I also include a paragraph I copied from that page showing Vietnam has been fighting to keep those islands 3 centuries ago (note: Hoang Sa is Vietnamese name for Paracel Islands)

In 1700s, under instructions of the Nguyễn Lords, the salvage operations officially started with the formation of Hoàng Sa and Bắc Hải Companies. Their responsibility was to carry out the mission at Hoàng Sa (Golden Sandbank) and Vạn Lý Trường Sa (Ten-thousand-league Long Sandbank) respectively. This effort was continued thereafter with successive establishments of other naval task units in accordance with strategic policies toward the two archipelagos under the Nguyễn Dynasty. Noticeably, a number of naval battles between the Dutch fleet and the Nguyễn Royal Navy occurred in 1643 and 1644. The Hoàng Sa naval task unit consisted of 70 men recruited from An Vĩnh and An Hải villages of Quảng Ngãi, while the majority of members of the Bắc Hải Company came from Bình Thuận province.[4][7][16][17]

Now, beat that.

4/ You said "I believe that's why the US is your country's backup." hahaha. You believe? I don't care what you believe. I want evidence. Give me proof. Give me something the US did or said that can prove that they're Vietnam's backup. Give me something Vietnam said that prove that they're using the US as its backup.

Those are what I can get from your post. The rest I can't understand.
What is the following paragraph supposed to mean? What are you trying to say? During half a year what? Flagged where? Who flagged? What is the source?

"I just meant why your countries were so eager to stand your flags on South China Sea.During half a year, more than 500 "bold" islands had been flagged colourfully.Did that seem normal?If there is no invisible hand behind, what else could result in current situation in China South Sea?:

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1 year ago

#155

cornucopia.rsc

hoak
you are so naive and cute.
your theory about red and blue lines are very interesting, the red lines are fabricated by chinese and blue lines are the masterpiece of U.N. now please tell me who ruled the so-called U.N. in that time?

beside that, your imagination is extraordinary, some chinese retards armed by Body Armors and swords invade Euro and totally raped by Napoleon's Artillery Company? OMG, Napoleon is the Guardian Spirit of the Euro. Euro enjoys the unprecedented peace under his rule.

also, your american's contributions theory is very touching, american rebuid japan, south Korea = american help japan and south Korea? yes, of course, and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan is just a start, a start of another touching story of american's help. Why japan's high speed of economic development end ed in the early of 80's? and why the recent well-knowned Toyota's event start in America?

dare to be more 2b?

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1 year ago

#156

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dranjam

Hoak is indoctrinated to the point of blindness. There is really no way to win this discussion, so guys, I advise you to quit altogether.

If I can't kill, I can't live.

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1 year ago

#157

aimaimaim

NICE NECRO DUDE!

Blizzard in now on a DISASTER in SLOW-MOTION ..

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1 year ago

#158

hoak

@cornucopia,

Thanks for the "cute", but not the "naive," which is suit you better. Blue and red lines are not my theory, it's from an article from BBC.co.uk, you can go there any check. The blue lines are according to The UN Convention on the Law of the Sea (1982), which was signed by 158 countries all over the world

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Convention_on_the_Law_of_the_Sea

The last time I check, The UN is governed by majority of vote, not any one country can "rule" it. If you can prove otherwise, please brighten me.

Also, please elaborate why rebuilding West Germany, South Korea not helping?

The Napoleon part, I already said I was wrong. Why keep attacking me on that?

@dranjam

Please show me why I'm "indoctrinated to the point of blindness." Everything I said, I researched and backed up by evidences (except for the Napoleon part, of course). If I see that I said something wrong, I admit it. Not like you for accusing me of "indoctrinated" without a point to prove.

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1 year ago

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SK.MrOw

lol this is still going...and seriously...all you guys are doing is repeating shit being said on page 123 with added reference from wiki fucking pedia...

i love wiki but using it as absolute proof of being right is fkin retarded...i cna bloody edit it right now and say chinese civilization were born after gene pool error between american indians and inuits...and if nobody reads and edits the page dumbasses mighta copied me word for word for their essays...

also hoak you call Keng stubborn...but read your own posts man...who are you trying to convince here...no1 gives a crap about your political views and vice versa to keng too...

bloody pointless...

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1 year ago

#160

hoak

Oh, many people do. That's one of the reason you came here and post comments. Wiki is not a very reliable source, I agree, but pay attention to the reference at the end of the page which is a reliable source. Just like doing your essay, you'll need "back-up" from professionals. Right, you can edit Wiki with nonsense stuffs but without sources and proofs, it'll be deleted/edited sooner or later.

I'm not trying to convince anyone, just trying to prove my points. If you or anyone who don't care, they would not come read the post in the first place.

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