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2 years ago

#41

lensun

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2 years ago

#42

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Skutt

#41 If i knew you would understand, i would tell you.. But it's useless =)

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2 years ago

#43

lensun

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2 years ago

#44

Skutt

#43 I have read your other post, and thats why i decided not to waste energy on try to explain wc3 to you =)

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2 years ago

#45

lensun

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2 years ago

#46

lensun

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2 years ago

#47

Skutt

#45 Then explain to me why i am wrong please =)

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2 years ago

#48

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Eli_king

LMAO !!!!!!!!!!

how it writes that allways vs UD there is a prblem fi Orc vs Ud have the best stas? msitake by an editor of the poor website :D

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2 years ago

#49

mansnicks

2010-02-04 17:07, Eli_King wrote:
LMAO !!!!!!!!!!

how it writes that allways vs UD there is a prblem fi Orc vs Ud have the best stas? msitake by an editor of the poor website :D

The balance between 2 races depends pretty much on the 2 players skills.
for example:
Between low skilled players ud>orc
between mid skilled players pretty balanced or a bit ud>orc
between high skilled players or gosu players orc>>>>>ud.
And the statistics are made by gosu players games only.

I personally think that between low/mid skilled players ud>all. only a bit higher than mid UD gets owned and orc>all

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2 years ago

#50

lensun

2010-02-05 08:57, mansnicks wrote:

2010-02-04 17:07, Eli_King wrote:
LMAO !!!!!!!!!!

how it writes that allways vs UD there is a prblem fi Orc vs Ud have the best stas? msitake by an editor of the poor website :D

I second that, thats also why Ive said in my previous posts, that UD requires less skill to play than any other races. UD at battlenet shouldnt complain because there arent a lot of gosu players at battlenet.

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2 years ago

#51

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2 years ago

#52

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2 years ago

#53

Skutt

#52 I still wait for your answer!

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2 years ago

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142536

doesnt it depend on what item you get to? :O

everybody is in master league on the forums! word!

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2 years ago

#55

peterra

Actually I believe the game is quite balanced in most of cases. However there're some things these statistics can't prove at all. First of all one should really count how many players are represeting a race at the pro/semipro level to get reliable results.

I guess nobody can really say UD is equally presented compared to orc for example. Orcs are the most represented race in every statistics, meaning that there're most orc players. Elves follow slightly after the orcs and undead and human players are really less compared to these numbers. Therefore statistics of this manner are certainly not the most reliable source of information about imbalance.

The most "reliable" way to test the balance of the game is to leave one race out of a tournament completely. Zotac-Cup is a perfect example of how the balance seems to work:

It seems to me every time night elves are out on the earlier grounds human players seem to win the war. For example some cups ago remind was knocked out by an orc in an early-ground and instantly Kas went through the whole tournament facing only orcs and winning it clearly. The next cup Remind wasn't knocked out by an orc and went all the way through and won against Kas in the final.

90% of Zotacs end up in elf mirror or orc mirror, or orc vs. elf. Elves and orcs are the best represented races in zotacs, therefore it's kinda clear it goes this way. The human players will mainly be knocked out by the elves while orcs have a more solid matchup against night elf than human. Therefore the likely that an elf kicks a human out is good and after that the chance of an orc winning is clearly better. If the elves are knocked out and human are left on the top, they mainly win with their solid matchup against orc in the finals.

Undeads are the black horses of the tournament; orcs are the best-represented race in zotac, therefore most of good undeads will be knocked out by orcs in the early grounds, the orcs knocked out by the human or the human players knocked out by elves resulting in a massive number of orc mirrors or orc against elf.

I believe if the orcs were left out of zotac, we would see a ud winning, elves knocking out the human players and in the final stages ud kicking out the elves. I think overall orc is the best race because it's represented the most at the top. Orc has the most cards in the game to use, orc has such a solid combination of units that every race is forced to play only a very low variation of strategies against orc because orc has the best ground in the game and the best antiair at the same time. Orc only has one weakness, that's the fact they're bad against magic and casters but blademaster seems to fix where the race fails lately. UD doesn't really have effective casters therefore they're extremely weak against orc. And more of everything ud is based on playing air, main of strong units of undead are in the air and orc has by far the best counters to air (batriders). That's kind of enough to explain why they're so strong lately.

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2 years ago

#56

Cechi

SK.Remind : There is no imbalance, you should understand. It is only the player who makes imbalance in a race. His thinking and timing is what makes race imbalanced.
GG
+1 it says elf

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2 years ago

#57

abrasion

2010-02-07 01:53, lensun wrote:

You're embarassing yourself :D. Now GtFO

You're wrong though, that's the funniest part, the stats prove you're wrong.
Every matchup is pretty closely balanced except UD vs Orc, it's the only one with a large, blatent gap - this gap hasn't been filled, it's distinctly there.

You've clearly been schooled by some UD players and have some weak, QQ agenda - too bad, so sad.

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2 years ago

#58

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2 years ago

#59

Mr.Bozhik

All of your so called "statistics" look like an "average temperature of patients in hospital, including morgue and reanimation". I say, you can't take 2 absolutely equally skilled players and make them play like 100 games of each matchup to gather the correct numbers. E.g. I beat like 80% UDs with my 15lvl HU on battle.net, but I lose like 70% games vs Orc, so this doesn't mean Orc>HU>UD anyway.

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2 years ago

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