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4 months ago
#21

myMYM.MrOw

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rofl...human got nerfed...my ass...priest knights powerrrrrrr!!!!!
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4 months ago
#22

I.Like.allys

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delete !
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4 months ago
#23

I.Like.allys

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2008-07-26 13:10:15, optical- wrote:
naga is most imba for sure


yeah man :D


the skill is important not the race.... i thought orc best race cause u can pwn all races.. but u must just t2 and elf u need t3 and ud t3 and human mb t2.. but they have expo.. elf and orc best races i thought..
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4 months ago
#24

Stax.

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i dont think there is any imba race :) its really good balanced i think and the UD vs OC matchup is also good balanced i think :) i only think that mirrors are shit :( but well thats because me cant play mirrors and thats not why the game isnt balanced ;) i think all races got some imba things for example Humans got tower and fe Orcs got raider and BM Undeath got coils and dessys and nightelfes got DH and dryads so its ok =)
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4 months ago
#25

I.Like.allys

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yeah nerfd dryads :O
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4 months ago
#26

xtruder

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anyone who's saying that the races are all balanced needs to wonder why blizzard keeps on nerfing and buffing stuff in patches.
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4 months ago
#27

Dr34m

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for bigger balance? :-D
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4 months ago
#28

scr1p7

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Its all balanced. Blizz nerfs and buffs stuff because fags like to QQ. Play the game, have fun :D

*Edit* Those damn Acos mine WAY too fast...nerf them plz?
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4 months ago
#29

Crickee

   1
WTF is this ?
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4 months ago
#30

StenGah

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orc is imba.. i always lose in mirror =/

but its good that there are replays @ fly vs who :D and fly won 3:1!
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4 months ago
#31

eyeownyu

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my opinion is going to be from a orc point of view, as that is what it play.

1. hu is still imba..... ok so there towers repair slower ONLY WHEN THEY ARE SCOUT TOWERS. ITS NOT THAT BIG OF A DEAL!!!!! they got buffed knights, and at the moment human still has the most amount of " not wasted units". examples: footies, rifles, sorcs, priests, breakers, tanks, mortar teams, gryphons. look prety much all of humans units are usable. if you take orc as an example, there are grunts, no one uses hh's, raiders, walkers,maybe a kodo beast sometimes, but orcs casters are only good once yo uget to t3, while human has 3 good casters taht are automatically good to start with. slow, heal, spell steal. imo human is still imba.
i cringe when i get a human game, and at t2 all i know is they are gonna have slow before i have dispell. but i laugh in there faces when i tower them in, and give them a taste of there own medicine, oh cry some more hu players,, your towers dont repair as fast......orc towers you can even repair them while they are being built.

lemme just say the rest are all prety even, but again these are mostly mu's against an orc player.

2. ne, they did get nerfed alot, and i know that hits em hard. i mainly practice with a ne friend of mine, but they still have staffs, while orb players dont, i dont see why a ne gets a staff but orc doesnt, and they still have moonwels, which only really effect early game. if you fight, and take damage, you run to your base and you are instantly healed, as an orc, you have to run back and salve up, which can be canceld, and take 30 seconds or 45 i forgot.

2. orc and ne are prety much balanced now. especially in the orc ne mu. im not too sure about other mu's, cuz i dont really see them or play them. i think that hh's could use something to make them actually playable, maybe increase range or health alittle bit.

3.ud, again as a orc player, ud is still a hard mu for them. idk what they need, maybe ghoul buff so they dont only have fiends at t2. i dont really know.
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4 months ago
#32

aveeno

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regarding towers in 1.22, the repair rate nerf means nearly nothing! it just means the human needs to bring one extra peasant to repair the tower while it's upgrading! the nerf has absolutely no effect when the tower is finished upgrading.

personally, i'd say that Orc is likely the strongest race in the new patch, because it's the only race that didn't get buffs/nerfs.
HU got it's repair rate nerfed a lil bit, not too much, just needs an extra peasant as stated above.
NE had the staff nerf (also a HU staff nerf, but HU don't go T3 very often) and the dryad EXP increase, making dryads less expendable, but still not game breaking.
UD got buffed but the Necropolis build time reduction of 10 seconds is quite irrelevant, and although the ziggurat armor increase is great, it merely makes lame strats harder to preform(rather, abusing the race's pros i.e. tank pushes, base raids w/ raiders.)
orc can continue to do what they did in the last patch, and own harder, while other races need to revamp their strats (i.e. Sky in his slump, he just needs to adjust his strats to the new patch) this patch also passively buffs UD just like orcs, although UD vs. orc is quite one-sided.

if any of that doesn't make sense, i'm sorry but i'm tired at 3AM.
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4 months ago
#33

Antistenses

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I have no doubts about the hierarchy of races.
1. HU
2. NE
3. OR
4. UD

I belive HU>NE,>OR,>UD;NE>OR,>UD;OR>UD. The most imbalanced MU I think it is HUvsUD. While HU and NE are relatively close, orc is miles away in terms of balance and UD... well UD u can just delete.

I think anyone who is certain UD is not the weakest race is a stupid noob.
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4 months ago
#34

SoI

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Yeah you are not biased at all.
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4 months ago
#35

MeatY

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I think anyone not entitling everyone to their own opinion (except those utterly retarded) is a stupid person that fails at everything.

Imo the game is pretty balanced the only thing that fails a bit is the ud v orc matchup but this has been getting better with the introduction of frostarmor 1st and des wyrm.

And seriously, most of you're amateurs (me included), not all of you, I know Sein lurks here somewhere, but still, most of you, what you feel is imbalanced is often just cus you haven't practiced enough practice in that certain match up or because you haven't utilized all of you're races benefits...

For example:
A while a go I had huge problems vs orc, my problem was that they got their expos up no matter what I did and that I got dominated early game.

Solution: better scouting and going frost armor first, this quickly turned the tides to benefit me, the early game frost armor allowed me to often pick of 4-5 units without more than half that number which then allowed me to use my ghouls at his expansion while I was pushing his base instead of forcing me to use my ghouls together with my main army.

Anyways I'm not saying it's always this easy, but however if you're on my level or below (I'd be about 35-38 wins lvl 20 and bout 90 wins lvl 30 I think) I think looking for simple solutions as these is a lot better than just crying:" OMG ORC IMBA I ALT-QQ EVERYTIME LOADING SCREEN SHOWS ORC". This type of mentality costs you the fun of 1/4 of you're games and others the joy of their victory, what I'm saying is basically that you should solve problems and not cry about them.
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4 months ago
#36

Aggrobacillus

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Undead is by far the most _imbalanced_.

Even if it goes about 50-50 vs hu, the whole game is messed around towers and destros too much.

Against orc there's not really need to explain as the win percentages seem to be favoring the orc so much.

Against elf it revolves a little too much around dryads and hero nuking, but its probably the best working MU for ud anyway.
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4 months ago
#37

Jcvc.

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lool u think ud is the most imba race cause u are elf.. btw human got nerfed but also got buffed on knights.. say it all plz.. and the human being the most punished race.. lool u play against computer? -.-
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3 months ago
#38

MeatY

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^I think by imbalanced he meant their matchups being poorly balanced not the race being to strong or anything.

The staff nerf pretty much countered the knight buff at least at a decent level cus not being able to switch staffs basically means that human first will have the option to staff 2 units home a 5~ min into t3
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3 months ago
#39

SoI

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2008-08-04 12:35:18, MeatY wrote:
The staff nerf pretty much countered the knight buff at least at a decent level cus not being able to switch staffs basically means that human first will have the option to staff 2 units home a 5~ min into t3


Gogo dual shop on at each expo.;)
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3 months ago
#40

Highland3r

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This is from a NE perspective:

1. UD without a doubt I would say the UD/NE matchup favors UD on all skill levels. You can see evidence of this with FoV taking a map from Moon in WWI. UD's only bad matchup is vs. orc, so I'll put them first. UD also has a slight advantage over Hu imo, so they get top.

2. NE/HU Ne vs. Hu seems to be a pretty balanced matchup, although most of the humans will have to find a way other than tower cheese + expand to win this patch xD. Hu vs. Orc is fairly balanced, and HU can still compete with UD. NE has an advantage vs. orc, and a weakness to UD, so I'd say overall they are on the same level as HU.

3. OC. Despite having autowins vs. UD, the OC vs. HU matchup still slightly favors the HU imo, and OC still have a disadvantage vs. NE players. They get third. I'd say the Blademaster needs to be nerfed while some of the orc units (Headhunters/casters/raider hp) could use buffs. I also think upgraded orc towers should be nerfed so the sit-in-my-base-and-build-mass-air strat becomes less viable :)
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