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4 months ago

ReV.CrusH
Undead help (598 reads, 11 replies)
Ok i have'nt played wc3 in half a year and i was wondering if it is still the same. I think it probaly is but im really rusty and im buying the game this week. I lost my game so yeah im buying a new one. My micro was pretty good before i quit. I think im going with undead because they would probaly be the easiest to get used to. Just read and tell me if this is good.

Against HU i have my unique way of playing. I like to go DK fiends at the beginning and then later pickup a FL and get wagons and necs. It works extremely good vs HU and its a fast way to kill towers. They usually dont have dispell ethier maybe 2 heros and some foots and mass towers. Wagons take care of the towers and my summons kill foots, even 10-15 with defend.

Against NE i get my DH to lvl 2 as soon as possible and if i get harassed by DH i get aura first skill. When i get around 8 ghouls i attack and tech as soon as possible to gargs and if he manages to get dryads/bears i get aboms. I like to get orb/lich fast too.

In mirror i think its fun to mass ghouls with dl and lvl fast and rush at lvl 3. Thats about all lol.

Against Orc i have alot of trouble. I dont really know what to do. I usually use ghouls till i get aboms becuase i really dont know what to do vs farseer and tc with grunts. This is probaly 75% of my loses.
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4 months ago
#1

wiz

 (Replay management Wc3)   5
im basicly making up the strat in the game but i have some general outcomes vs particular races,
i like to make destro/wagon + 1-2 abo vs hum and then do both: micro and sucking out the mana/buffs, but if its some kind of tank/mortar human i tend to pop out more abos and 1 wyrm

as for the ne ye most of the time i do ghoul/garg harras + some adds @ tier3

in mirror im usually facing fiends/obsidian + 2 hero micro challenge ; )

as for the orc i put the strat quite carefully based on the opponents moves, but try to use rather bigger amount of units + buffs
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4 months ago
#2

Zipparn

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too much text >_<
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4 months ago
#3

ReV.CrusH

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=P sorry it was the only way to say it all
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4 months ago
#4

JaMie

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Try DK mass fiends + Lich w/ frost armor vs orc

Buff the focused fiend with frost armor
=> slows the orc unit's attack rate and move speed
=> easier to coil or burrow
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4 months ago
#5

Rainmaker)

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There are many strats that can be used by Undeads, you can always go with the famous ones..

DK + Lich + CL and fiends and destros against orcs
DK + Naga + Lich and ghouls and gargs against nelfs
DK + Panda + Lich abos ghouls and destros against humans
Lich + DK +DL ghouls and gargs against undead

Off course, you'll always find something a bit different, on BNet, 2 strats that became almost legends were CL + ghouls(some rush hun) and a lich +ghouls(listen carefully, this is better if the opponent is using fiends) and necros with mass skels, the problem os using it against an UD using ghouls, is that he'll probably push gargs on t2, and than you'd be screwd, Cl + fiends is somethign that I really like, very beautiful is well used, search for repplays too, it helps, and glhf my friend XD
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4 months ago
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ReV.CrusH

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2008-07-09 21:01:21, Rainmaker) wrote:
There are many strats that can be used by Undeads, you can always go with the famous ones..

DK + Lich + CL and fiends and destros against orcs
DK + Naga + Lich and ghouls and gargs against nelfs
DK + Panda + Lich abos ghouls and destros against humans
Lich + DK +DL ghouls and gargs against undead

Off course, you'll always find something a bit different, on BNet, 2 strats that became almost legends were CL + ghouls(some rush hun) and a lich +ghouls(listen carefully, this is better if the opponent is using fiends) and necros with mass skels, the problem os using it against an UD using ghouls, is that he'll probably push gargs on t2, and than you'd be screwd, Cl + fiends is somethign that I really like, very beautiful is well used, search for repplays too, it helps, and glhf my friend XD


ill try this and see how it works
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4 months ago
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ReV.CrusH

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2008-07-09 14:10:50, JaMie wrote:
Try DK mass fiends + Lich w/ frost armor vs orc

Buff the focused fiend with frost armor
=> slows the orc unit's attack rate and move speed
=> easier to coil or burrow


ill try this too and i like ur pic disturbed is a good band
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4 months ago
#8

harstem

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2008-07-09 14:10:50, JaMie wrote:
Try DK mass fiends + Lich w/ frost armor vs orc

Buff the focused fiend with frost armor
=> slows the orc unit's attack rate and move speed
=> easier to coil or burrow


This is a great strategy, but useless if orc gets tier 3 and buys orb of lightning. Also ttry to put in some destroyers for dispell of hex/stomp and if the orc goes some spirit walkers it also is nice for destroyers to devour spirit link.
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4 months ago
#9

TheConqError

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#8 dispell stomp? wtf?
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4 months ago
#10

Rainmaker)

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Ye, I cant imagine how can a destroyes dispell stomp... the only way to stop a stomp is micro on the fiends... not so hard, after all that's an important lesson about fiends usage, THEY MUST STAY BEHIND FIGHT LINE, if you let them n the middle of the battle... gg undead
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4 months ago
#11

ramenlover

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against orc i always push fiends with DK until supply 29, @26 you should build the 3rd ziggurat and tech with 29. after that try to get lvl 3 (or 2 if the orc is not so good) and go to his base to kick burrows or bestiarys.

try to evolve a perfect timing for the push, the perfect time would be just before he gets his SH or TC. if you have the upper hand in the fight, you can also build necromancer in order against his raiders, and use skull to create unholy ground in front of his base is very nice too, burrowed fiends heal like hell there.

if he keeps on focussing your dk, get boots of speed @the shop and just micro him around while you kick his grunts, until you reach lvl 4, skill the deathpact there. when you get your lich, you have to skill frost armor first. he will really have a hard time focussing your units because the SH will be the only unit who is non melee. you always gotta try to keep him in upkeep, so that he cant pump tier2 units

people keep complaining about ud orc is a very difficult matchup for the ud, but i do not think that is quite right. it is true that 2 grunts > 2 fiends and 3 grunts > 3 fiends (with bad micro), but if you have more than 4 fiends it is really easy to micro the orc player out.
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