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5 months ago

Omega2227
NE vs HU and UD help (623 reads, 13 replies)
So i've been playying a decent amount lately
and I keep getting owned by UD gargs and HU morts
I can't seem to get enough dryands/bears to counter
and then I just get wrecked
you guys know of any good replays?
I've watched a bunch of moon vs. sky
but i don't know and good undead players
help?

also, if i use my AoW for my first creep camp to try to tech faster to the bears
HU rushes with arch and about 4 foots and I'm trying to fight it with a DH and 2 archers. It was at gnoll wood and my scout wisp was going the wrong way around the map to see it coming. what to do??
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5 months ago
#1

Hellneabis

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Don't use AoW for creeping, leave that to real pros...if Ur AoW goes down because of any reason....its a certain gg...specially vs HUM cause he'll surely rush....go hunters and you'll be able to even rush or put a lot of harass to HUM
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5 months ago
#2

Omega2227

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mines only gone down once because I somehow pulled like 2 camps at once
it normally doesnt get below half health and then eat a tree before re-rooting
so its near full and the quick tech gets the fast bears
but even if i don't use it to creep, i try to tech early againt human anyway so i only have like 4-5 archers
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5 months ago
#3

scr1p7

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dont listen to HELLNEABIS. Creep with the AOW...its not only a "pro" thing. On EI and Turtle rock you should be able to creep the camp and pull out 3 archers before the HU even thinks about rushing you. And then after that kite the foots around and use good micro... keep the archers healed and dont take too much dmg on the DH. My personal opinion on GW would be to go hunts though. Hunts give you a bit better map control imho.
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5 months ago
#4

theboss.

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cant help u cuz i dont play NE, but a good UD player is lucifer, try to find some Moon vs Lucifer replays.
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5 months ago
#5

Dr34m

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make mass huntZ + balistas with tower rush vs everything...
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5 months ago
#6

Omega2227

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Just played a 1v1 with a human player on TS
I have the normal start for mass hunts with dh
just as the AoW's are comin up I'm trailing him back to my base after heading to his to harass him
needless to say he got some towers and owned badly
I just don't see how anything can stop a good footie tower rush except UD towers which are fast to get
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5 months ago
#7

031CkA

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Im not a tft player but ill tell u what i do on roc, i never AOW creep cuz it slows making speed of archers. But archers seem to suck in tft, so vs human id go hunts to counter defend, archers < blizz + defend. Also balistias are amazing nice to have in a army, What i would do vs human is instead of fast tech, try to fast expo, while mass hunts, once expo is up then u can tech up how ever you like, and if he tower rushes, just switch to archers and balistias, to b able to attack from a nice distance, i think FFing is importent here and surround with hunts at start
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5 months ago
#8

SoI

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2008-06-24 02:18:01, Omega2227 wrote:
Just played a 1v1 with a human player on TS
I have the normal start for mass hunts with dh
just as the AoW's are comin up I'm trailing him back to my base after heading to his to harass him
needless to say he got some towers and owned badly
I just don't see how anything can stop a good footie tower rush except UD towers which are fast to get


mass hunts build is very weak against early tower rushes but if you manage to get a few hunts up you can try heading to his base and mess it up, if he TPS you TP and take down the towers if he doesnt bring a wisp and start over again. Since he TRed he should have a weak ass army
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5 months ago
#9

KnekteN

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2008-06-23 18:51:28, scr1p7 wrote:
dont listen to HELLNEABIS. Creep with the AOW...its not only a "pro" thing. On EI and Turtle rock you should be able to creep the camp and pull out 3 archers before the HU even thinks about rushing you. And then after that kite the foots around and use good micro... keep the archers healed and dont take too much dmg on the DH. My personal opinion on GW would be to go hunts though. Hunts give you a bit better map control imho.


Are you retarded? Creep and get 3 archers before he tower rushes you on TR? Yeah sure, if it's not closepos it works, but if it is, you can just type GG when you first scout it. When I play elf I never AoW creep on TR. If your AoW is in a good position in your base when he's towerrushing closepos TR, you have a really good chance to save yourself if you build another AoW the second you see he's going to towerrush you.
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5 months ago
#10

Omega2227

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alright human isn't that much of an issue anymore
i just flat out don't know what to do against undead
I've seen moon mass dryads and the piercing damage goes both ways
any other advice besides setting up a few protectors to stop the flying harass?
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5 months ago
#11

KnekteN

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Staff your panda back to the base as soon as you see him harrassing you, then hazebreath the gargs. Does the trick to make the UD at least fall back and heal before coming back, if not the gargs are at such low hp that you'll maybe get lucky and pick a few off with your towers.

Other than that there isn't really much you can do. Some people tend to place their wisps in random places on the map, if you do this though, and the UD finds your wisps by chance, PLEASE, don't be so f'ing quick to shout "MAPHACK!"... God I'm tired of that.

You probably know this since you've been studying NE vs UD reps but I'll go ahead and say it anyway. Expo vs UD! This allows you to have more wisps (You don't stay at 50 pop when you have an expo, so you'll have higher food count) and even if you have a bit of a lumber shortage you still have x2 more gold than the UD has.
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5 months ago
#12

Omega2227

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k last one :P
I was talking to this human player after he tower rushed me on turtle rock close setup and he said once i see militia to start building ancient of wars and no archers. Does that seriously work?
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5 months ago
#13

Nilsen

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I creep with AOW on TR, if human gets short poss its probably over anyways.
And if you creep without AOW, youre DH will get weak on health, and you are even more in danger if you are being towerpushed. And you can place the AOW in the gap where AM + footys and militia is rushing in, so you will get some hits on them.
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