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6 months ago

carn
When to tech weapons/armor? (461 reads, 7 replies)
I have a tendency to upgrade weapons rather early, other players i see only do it very late.

Purely numerically speaking all these upgrades improve damage taken and "hp" by 12%. So the first upgrades, as they cost about 100-150 gold, would certainly make sense if there are 1000-1500 gold of units worth effected by it, because it has a greater effect than spending gold on additional units of same type.

But units require housing and cause upkeep. Also if 10 units with upgrade 1 meet 12 units with no upgrade, the latter side will sooner receive kills. And last enemy might not notice you have upgraded and will think he has superior army and will stay longer in battle losing more units.
Of course the downside is, that by upgrading one type of unit, one will have wasted the money, if one has to counter some opponent unit with some not upgraded unit.

So is there some advice, when the weapon and armor upgrades should be researched?
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6 months ago
#1

mxprez.kebby

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Well since ure ud upgrading weapons isn't a high priority. Only thing to upgrade is fiends armor and dmg whichcan be very effective. Other unis wont be neccessary upgrading besides the fat desease cloud guys (forgot their name ;P) All other units do enough dmg that it wont be a big deal if u dont upgrade them.
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6 months ago
#2

spirit.BW.TX

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u do only the creature attack upgrade and if u got the money u do lvl2 upgrade, cause none cares if fiend got 0 or 1 amror! u use vs orc forstarmor and fiend got 0 +3, so u only need the dmg! :)
btw: welcome to warcraft
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6 months ago
#3

CiTsYm

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It depends on matchup an unit combination.

I think you play ud so I will talk about this.

Vs Ne

Upgrade attack for gargs to fast kill the Dryards its also affect the damage of wyrms or desi for late game. Do not upgrade ghuls it's not the worth the price that they get dmg+1, but frenzy is very important.

Vs Orc

If you plan to play mass destroyers go for 0-3 so orc needs a lot of more bats to counter. Also if you go Fiends / Wyrms or Desis upgrade the armor and comibne it with frost armor so orc needs a lot of longer to get one fiends down.

Vs Human

Upgrade damage of destroyers or fiends to damage human from range an move away quikly. If he got mass of Gyros to counter your air try to upgrade the armor to save your desis life longer.

Other Races

Ne upgrade weapons for t2 units Dry / Bears
if you mass t1 upgrade them fast to get early advantage

Human
depends on strat in mirror its important to upgrade breakers both sides
Vs Ud you need heavy techt gyros with fast mass dmg so upgrade them first later on the nights

Orc
Upgrades are good in every matchup because they affect all units you built up .. grund / raider both same upgrades !

Regards

CiTsYm
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6 months ago
#4

itsRaining-

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omfg... upgrading with ud is so important. with my fiend bo ill start 1st dmg upgrade just few sec after i start teching, when im waiting for my 3rd zig, in 90% games i have atleast 3-1 teched fiends. Dont remember how much extra dmg u get but it really helps. And its always worth upgrading units with 0 armor. If u mass fiend/destro, then u better get mass upgrades before u go above 50pop
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6 months ago
#5

carn

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There seem to be several opinions.

What seems strange to me is why one should upgrade only armor to 3 but leave damage at 0.
Upgrading from armor 2 to 3 for fiends,dessis,... dosts 250/325.
Upgrading from weapon 0 to 2 costs 350/175.

Thats roughly the same price(of course depending on what you are lacking) and 2/2 units will deal more damage before dying than 0/3 units and dealing damage is the main point about fiends, wyrms and gargs. Only with destroyers i see reason, since they can get bonus damage from absorbing mana, which is unaffected by weapon upgrades.
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6 months ago
#6

CiTsYm

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its only in matchup vs orc because then orc needs a lot of more bats to kill a single dessi oder garg if you have 0-3 gargs orc cant kill a garg with a single bat.

Ok gargs are not the favorit unit against orc but still 0-3 destorys are quite really stronge because you need about the twice amount of bats to counter them.

If you are fiends player who plays dessi late you can upgrade both damage and amror but normaly a single fiend is focused out by orcs and with amror upgrade and frostamror / coil he will need a lot of more time to take down a single fiend. You have to see if a damage upgrade really can win a fight or if a armor upgrade is better.. I cant say im not playing ud in solo but its my opinion and I think i got a lot of experience in warcraft 3.

Regard
CiTsYm
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6 months ago
#7

carn

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2008-05-27 10:36:23, CiTsYm wrote:
its only in matchup vs orc because then orc needs a lot of more bats to kill a single dessi oder garg if you have 0-3 gargs orc cant kill a garg with a single bat.

Ok gargs are not the favorit unit against orc but still 0-3 destorys are quite really stronge because you need about the twice amount of bats to counter them.

If you are fiends player who plays dessi late you can upgrade both damage and amror but normaly a single fiend is focused out by orcs and with amror upgrade and frostamror / coil he will need a lot of more time to take down a single fiend. You have to see if a damage upgrade really can win a fight or if a armor upgrade is better.. I cant say im not playing ud in solo but its my opinion and I think i got a lot of experience in warcraft 3.

Regard
CiTsYm


Thanks,
very good information, i did not know, that bat damage is affected by armor.

garg with 2 upgrades has armor 7, so armor adjusted hp are 1.42*410= 582, one bat one kill, with 3 upgrades adjusted hp are 1.54*410= 631, one bat one kill only with splash damage, which only happens a lot with mass gargs.

destroyers have with upgrade 1 1170 adjusted hp, so 2 bats, with upgrade 2 1278, so 2 bats plus splash, and with upgrade 3 1386, so even 2 bats plus 1 splashs does not kill them.(Pretty expensive for orc player)
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