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1 year ago

CephalicCarnage
humans make me angry (3467 reads, 29 replies)
So im a ud player. I play a game, human is my opponent. Early game i own him, kill many footmen and riflemen, but i fail to stop his expansion. I outmicro him all game quite easily. Then comes the MK. GG, i lose. He masses riflemen and kill my hero's ridiculously fast with a stun. I went from owning to being owned skillessly.

I havent played wc3 for about 2 years, so im just coming back, but regardless i dont think i should have lost to this guy. I was thinking, maybe i should always get banshee's vs human for spell shield. I remember that mk + pally was ridiculous also.

Any other suggestions as to what to do? I went feinds/destro in this game, but his sheer numbers in riflemen made everything useless.
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1 year ago
#1

SoI

   2
If you lose VS Hu mass rifles with UD I wouldn't call him skilless and outplayed;P Mass rifles VERY RARELY used by anyone good vs UD for a reason after all.

I'm pretty sure there is already a thread about this, so yeah check that out for tips.

PS. I really thought it would be towerwhine when reading this topic, I am a bit dissapointed .
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1 year ago
#2

mephiztopheles

   6
Well, he said sheer numbers of riflemen, I'll give him the benefir of the doubt and pretend he also had casters,breakers or other units other than rifles.


Also, I hate human as well so....want a cookie?

Play, get better, watch reps; you at least have a chance, or change to human. That solves.
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1 year ago
#3

thug)chazz

   6
changing wont help him at all :) vs mass rifles he need Lich and abomination .... fiends and destros are useless
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1 year ago
#4

CephalicCarnage

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The guy did have some preist and sorc and like 2 knights in his army by the end. Ill try aboms since the fiends and destros got raped.
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1 year ago
#5

SteniS

   8
Undead trihero > any number of riflemen
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1 year ago
#6

MeatY

   4
fiends and destroyers are not useless since as stenis mentioned the undead tri hero pretty much rapes (insert number) riflemen
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1 year ago
#7

myMYM.MrOw

   9
heres a hint...play elf...mass hunts...own the bastards before they get t2...all it takes is hotkeying buildings...superman...hit n run base...few creepjacks...glaives...

oh get sappers too! teaches those idiots right for creeping goblin obs 1st mwahahahaha
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1 year ago
#8

freaky.SpaNk

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just take some AoE heroes against them like lich , cryptlord or panda!
but dont play like a bot ur startegy in brain! think about the game!
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1 year ago
#9

mephiztopheles

   6
2007-10-28 02:03:47, thug)chazz wrote:
changing wont help him at all :) vs mass rifles he need Lich and abomination .... fiends and destros are useless



Oh but changing will help, just look at this game

I have 75% wins with humans for a reason ^^.
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1 year ago
#10

reloaded

   1
easy to deal with . just to get high level heros and produce fatty and des also crypt lord.and you woundnt lose any units.
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1 year ago
#11

thug)chazz

   6
get a life xD :) or play elf :)


on small maps - ghouls
on big maps - fiends
u make exe too
mass harass and creep
abom + wagons
destro + wyrms
3 heroes - DK + Lich + DR(DL ot CL)
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1 year ago
#12

versago

 (Replay management - SC)   8
German video about UD vs all races:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTWE3scsiIQ

Coil, nova, impale, swarm.
You cannot resist our charm.
From the graveyard we emerge.
This is the hour of the scourge.

Every one's worst MU is UD,
But it's not your race, it is me.
I just win because I'm better than you.
So you ask you friends: what to do?
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1 year ago
#13

Kurdran

   4
#7 got it.

Thats how all the american elves win, for example myst and pato, and it applies for every race, even mirror.
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1 year ago
#14

myMYM.MrOw

   9
thats how elf mirror shud be fought...of course u go 2aow hunts and bring wisps for tower push...how else do u play...as for those europeans goin standard dh tech t2 etc...whats the point...aura pushhhhh...pffft even mass aow near his base pwn tht...
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1 year ago
#15

versago

 (Replay management - SC)   8
Elf mirror is pretty boring though, not as boring as UD mirror but still...
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1 year ago
#16

Genie

 (WarCraft Editor)   13
Reading the post, I have to say I got the same problems, but even more with copters, tanks, trihero or anything such.

I played a game on LT and of course he fastexpoed. I had an awesome harass on it I have to say though, BUT, I got really shocked how fastly he massed those rifles.

I had DK/Lich/CL (3, 3, 1 or something) and I had 3-4 aboms, obsidians, a few fiends and i even took out my wood ghouls with frenzy. I got really surprised when I saw how easily I killed it. Nuking, aboms and frenzy ghouls solved this game for me.
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1 year ago
#17

thug)chazz

   6
Extra damage is the key :)
normal attack units are doing 150% damage to the hairy riflemen.
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1 year ago
#18

MeatY

   4
2007-10-30 01:17:09, MeOwTheMinXi wrote:
thats how elf mirror shud be fought...of course u go 2aow hunts and bring wisps for tower push...how else do u play...as for those europeans goin standard dh tech t2 etc...whats the point...aura pushhhhh...pffft even mass aow near his base pwn tht...


I suppose that's also why the European elves are more successful?
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1 year ago
#19

versago

 (Replay management - SC)   8
Rifles stink vs everything melee. The problem these days is tanks and MASS towers. Unless you try to somehow catch the tanks en route to your base and block them off with your army, your base will be gone in 60 seconds and no matter how good your micro is, you can't just fking kill off the tanks in time.
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1 year ago
#20

chariotte

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i recommend Pandaren as your third hero. nova and fire breath will erase rifle men at all.
and use coil + nova to arch mage often. arch mage has fucking weak hp so you can kill easily.
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