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1 year ago

bad.luck.
Human strategy (2129 reads, 25 replies)
I need straregy HU vs ORC,and HU vs UD...What is good to make in combo with casters..and tell me good hero combo.thz all.

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1 year ago
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Kurdran

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About the heroes:

Orc: First is AM. Second might be MK or BM (Beast Master) Those are the most usual. MK as first + BM (Blood Mage) have been used together too.

Ud: You can either take AM as first and then MK and Pally as second and third respectively or take the Paladin as first, creeep to lvl 2-3 and then harass the ud with staff of tele and boots.

Im lazy so wait till some1 post the strat XD
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1 year ago
#2

bad.luck.

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Thanks
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1 year ago
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kouta
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1 year ago
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Peralisc

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2007-09-07 19:42:19, bad.luck. wrote:
I need straregy HU vs ORC,and HU vs UD...What is good to make in combo with casters..and tell me good hero combo.thz all.

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Combo with casters

3 adept sourc + 1 priest , u keep them in the base all time

Hero Combo AM+ BM , firestrike and blizzard ofc, maybe 3rd Pala

mass tower, fast tech, mass morts, cast invisible, go kill his base and when you have time you need to build and exe

Later do some tanks if he is persistent

@ Kurdran pls stop posting, thx
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1 year ago
#5

mephiztopheles

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@ Kurdran pls stop posting, thx
Reason for that would be?


If your going am+bm combo, a better third choice is the panda. imho


Another hero combo I saw a human go was Am then PL then as third Bloodmage, was a very strange thing bu he harassed a lot with blizzard and rain of fire, howl of terror for battles and bm to give the PL mana in case he ran out and he used banish to both micro his heroes and to render useless the bm, very strange but worked for the guy. Was done against orcs.
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1 year ago
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Kurdran

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1 year ago
#7

bad.luck.

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thz..and srry for double post i wrong :)
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1 year ago
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Peralisc

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1 year ago
#9

SoI

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2007-09-08 05:19:34, Kurdran wrote:
Plz stop playing RT then come back


Word

@peralisc
Edit :Saying DR first with Human as an advice to a noob is obviously idiotic.

You come in with some retarded ideas and when Kudran actually just gives a few friendly pointers you flame him.

And when you start ranting about random hero combination: NEWS FLASH : all hero combinations CAN WORK but that doesnt mean you should try if you have any ambitions of winning a game against a player of equal level...
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1 year ago
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Kurdran

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2007-09-08 12:51:05, Peralisc wrote:


Am playing solo you nab. As for you, you didn't tell him any units combo
just gave a plain noobshit advice :

"Orc: First is AM. Second might be MK or BM (Beast Master) Those are the most usual. MK as first + BM (Blood Mage) have been used together too."

OH RLY?! Did you know that Am + almost all tavern heroes is also used?
And DR first is also used.

You know no units combo, so stfu. I don't give any real combos, he can watch replays and you would actualy start talking big and copy paste the combos i mention.

shitty nab


DR as first????? ahahahahaha u made my day, plz watch a replay every once in a while and try that and see if it works with some1 better than a 12 years old in bnet.

And plz dont come to me with a cocky attitude when u dont have a clue of what you are saying. Its just not about watching a replay, its about analize it and understand whats happening which is what my russian friend needs, not a pathetic advice as "Am + almost all tavern heroes is also used", HAHAHAHAHAHAHA, yeah? and what for? wow PL and AM is such a fantastic combo, not to tell AM + GT.......u dont rlly know whats the point of a hero choice do u? If u thnk hero chocie is just a matter of saying something like choice w/e hero u want then go play Age of Empires , fits you better.

Oh and unlike u i do know units for each MU, and unlike u its not because i copy paste combos, its because i know why they are used and what for.....but well what can i expect from you...."use some tanks later" hahahahhahaha.

Plz dont compare my strats with your strats when apparently you only play vs Dota players.
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1 year ago
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mephiztopheles

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Oh also, has not been said, FL is also quite trendy when Tower pushing an orc right at tier 2, imo Beastmaster is better as it can also tank but your choice :).
And kikin, he's serbian not russian ;)
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1 year ago
#12

Kurdran

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hahaha oh yes....our serbian friend
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1 year ago
#13

Peralisc

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You gave him no combo advices, just some mere hero combos. If you can't make the difrence between them, be quiet.

DR first works well, even for noobs. Just because you are to stupid to use it yourself, doesn't mean that others can't use it and win the game.

DR as first????? ahahahahaha u made my day, plz watch a replay every once in a while and try that and see if it works with some1 better than a 12 years old in bnet.


With such a dumb statement i don't have to proove that you're a noob, you did it yourself. You lack micro.
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1 year ago
#14

Kurdran

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Is that all what u got? that i didnt give unit combos and that i dont have micro???? Bah u arent even worth arguing......Sure DR works perfect vs such a low hp units as fiends and grunts. Good work.

Oh and im gonna correct your statement, DR isnt even good for noobs, its just good for noobs. Maybe u still dont get the game.....night elves are the "purple" ones, not human, and Moon, Sase, etc are Nelf players so in case u didnt get it they do get the dark ranger vs human because footies are low hp units as peasants, then u can harass the human. But again i guess u dont get shit of what im talking about, u prolly think u can win the game just massing w/e thing comes to ur mind.

Plz go and find/play any replay where u or anyone win Hu vs Orc or Hu vs Ud using DR as first hero vs some1 better than 65% in bnet/ggc, then come back.
And seriously, next time you post, reply with something merely coherent at least, not with a "you do a great job as an asslicker", because so far u havent give even one argument that makes us think DR is a good first choice besides the if u dont use the DR as first you suck thing. At least make an effort to think instead of using the word micro just cuz it makes u look like a pro. And well if not usin the DR as first hero makes me get a shitty micro then i guess i dont have micro, but again, stop your pathetic theorycrafting and try to actaully play the game. Oh am i insulting you? i forgot you think you can win with two crypts, mass ghouls, DR for skellies and DL as second with vampiric.

Btw i never said u couldnt win a game usin it, i bet i can use tinker as first in a game vs you and win which doesnt prove Tinker is a good first choice vs Ud.

Oh and stop trying to give advices about a MU u dont know shit about, it makes ppl to get the idea u can win a game usin a brainless hero choice.

Congratulations for your new word in english "nab", now that we notice your improvement you can stop usin it
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1 year ago
#15

ronnimbl

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I see you have asked for strats vs UD.
There are many strats to play against the undead, but i will only write how to use, the strat, which undeads fear the most.
Get an archmage, with water elemental, and some footies. Creep your hero up to lvl 2-3, depend at map. Just take creepcamps nearby.
Keep making footies till you got like 6-7 of them. Then creep an expansion with your footmen, and 4-5 militias, and make exe + towers.
While you creep, then the undead will have a death knight running around, and trying to steal creeps from your, and damage your arch mage. Every time you see a death knight coming in from behind while creeping, take your hero only, and focus fire the death knight, so he will slowly lose HP. He cant regain HP so early, so the more you damage him, the less HP, will the hero have, on the later rush.
Its likely the undead will try and rush you, with a death knight, and some ghouls. Just have some water elementals, and try to keep your hero / peasants alive. If you lose your arch mage at any time, winning will almost be impossible. Usually undeads wont attack your footmen. If you dont get rushed at exe instantly, just stand and wait, cuz if he dont comes, he lose.
When you have pulled the rush back (if any comes), then start building towers, fast, both at expansion and main base. While you do that, take your AM, and your footies, and attack him. There are 2 purposes of that rush, 1 of them is to kill acolytes, the second one is to buy time. The longer time your keep rushing, the longer time will it take before the UD can attack you, so u can get towers enough.
Then get MK as 2. hero, and paladin as 3. hero, and just creep. If the undead try to get exe, try and stop it.
Normally the undead will creep more than you, and get stronger heroes, so he can nuke your heroes, so get "staff of sanctuary" to staff your heroes.
Keep making footmen untill you start getting flying machines or tanks, gryphons or knights

I tryed to explain some of the UD vs HU MatchUp, with 1 strat. The truth is, that u cant ask for strats in forums, cuz player tell you what units to make, they dont tell you how to play the strat, its weaknesses and strengts. I there tryed to explain some of the most basic, but if i should write how to use the strat 100% right, it would take very long time, and many pages, because there are so many small things. If u wanna get good, watch some replays of pros, try and copy their strat. After some time you will start to figure out your weaknesses and strengts, with this strategy.

BTW, this strat depends much at micro. If your micro is better than your opponents, you will probably win, if the UD has the best micro, he will usually win
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1 year ago
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Peralisc

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2007-09-09 01:48:46, Kurdran wrote:
Is that all what u got? that i didnt give unit combos and that i dont have micro???? Bah u arent even worth arguing......Sure DR works perfect vs such a low hp units as fiends and grunts. Good work.


Look beginner, even towers + tanks is a strat, if you know how to use it, it can become a very efficient way of winning games.

Now you contradict self. Those hero combos you gave don't work vs any strat aswell as DR dosn't work vs any strat, that's why i gave as an example all combos that you can get from human heroes + tavern heroes. They are all usefull against specific strats, or to help you play a strat more eficient.
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1 year ago
#17

Kurdran

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When did i exactly say towers and tanks doesnt work??? What i said is that tanks arent a matter of "Later do some tanks if he is persistent", tanks are a strat vs ud, actually one of the main strats.

My hero combos doesnt work? Then i guess Sky, ToD, Rainbow, XyLigan, NilK, Infi, etc are beginners. If u think those hero combos doesnt work plz dont ever try to give an advice t anyone about this game. And again, we are talking about hu vs orc and hu vs ud, and big news, DR doesnt work. Seriously, and i say it in the good way, i dont know what kind of ppl u are used to play vs, but if you rlly think that kind of strat works is because you play vs a rlly pathetic ppl. DR is a poor choice as a first hero vs orc, and the only benefit i can think gettin it vs orc is the silence which isnt a big thing. Vs ud it gets worse, only good thing is u cant get coiled but u wont be able to holy light her as well and eventually it will come to ur DR being nova-impaled. And plz dont call me beginner when u dont have a clue of what you are saying. RT is a better place for you.
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1 year ago
#18

SoI

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2007-09-09 00:31:37, Peralisc wrote:
DR first works well, even for noobs. Just because you are to stupid to use it yourself, doesn't mean that others can't use it and win the game.


Thing is DR can work "even" for noobs because they face noobs, if you face a good player and you DR first with human I wish you good luck because you put yourself at a disadvantage even before the battle starts.
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1 year ago
#19

TAB

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/whereis dota pot
~dota pot does not exist in this channel~
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1 year ago
#20

Soptklan

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Not supporting Peralisc's strat with DR here, but Kurdan.. go watch replays you are better in that than in helping ppl here in forum.
Every topic I look at I se you posting exactly the same: "Go watch some pro replays... watch what Moon, Grubby, Sky, Luci do... lets see what others say and I'll coment.."
This is no help to ppl that ask that is just post gaining aka. spam.

For those who didn't get it yet. WC3 is strategy game and everyone should develop their own tactics. Sure you can ask for advice and ofc you will get an answer.. but if I asked question I'd expect answer as:

I (yes I not Sky and Grubby) use that and that and it works for me.. maybe try it out ect.

and not answer:

Grubby is best Orc, he uses that, go watch replay and use that...

Anyhow I'll get flamed there as sh1t now, but hope that you even think about what I said before doing it.

PS: soi, is Kurdan like you'r father? You are protecting him without reason in almost any topic like it is.
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