SearchLike overcomes Moon to retain STG title
Posted by Patrik "Raistlin" Hellstrand 1 year ago
Kejing "Like" Li defeated Jae Ho "Moon" Jang 2-1 in the grand finals of STG Gaming 2010 to earn $4,500 for first place.The World Elite Orc, who came to the grand final backing a win over June "Lyn" Park, stopped Moon from taking his international title.
Moon was given the better odds for the final, being favored in previous encounters.
But the Night Elf bonjwa lost the final 2-1 albeit tieing the score in the second game on The Hinterlan.
Third place went to WeMade FOX's other STG contestant June "Lyn" Park, after the Korean disposed World Elite's Xuwen "InFi" Wang by 2-1. The viewers were robbed of the InFi's first game win after a power outage, but the following games could be seen with Lyn on top.
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| GosuGamers.net - Full tournament results |
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| Sad news... : ( |
| I blame SC2 ^^ Moon probably been playing it like crazy hehe |
| infi did win 1st match completely, only OB host crashed , the match between them went smoothly. |
| How can i watch all moon's games? |
| time posted 13:37 :) |
| replays? |
| u can watch STG vod on pplive. just open pplive and type STG in top right search bar and press enter u gonna find what u want.  |
| thanks |
I dont think its sad at all! 2nd place is Awesome  |
not when u get 2nd place every tournament, i would get sick of it  |
| Particulary when you keep losing to the same race. All the finals he lost were against Orc, he even stated that Orc was "imba" because of that. How dare he, Orc players are just more talented than him. Had Like plaid like Lyn (TP forgetting half of his units), Moon would have bet him too, proof that the game is balanced and that it comes down to the skill of the players. |
| Orcs is winning EVERYTHING.. always vs elf or mirror in the final... |
| ooh chinese = gosu |
| Blame Blade Master for everything! :) So useful hero! You can do whatever you want with him , creep jack , spy , do good harash and even go shop at Super Market :) I can bet that BM is taking steroids and a lot of proteins for his strenghts. If I am wrong , then prove it! :))) |
| orc with BM > all orc without BM can't win shit So the question is: if you were a blizzard worker who is creating the warcraft patches - what exactly would you change on him? I still think that simply remove blades of attack from the game would be enough  |
| poor mewn :( |
| #14 lol |
| so #1 seems like u dont know much. he HAS 2 train 8 10 or 12 h or whatever how much it says in hi contract for wc3. so this stupid "oh hes playing SCII so much" is bullshit. hes maybe doing in his freetime but not in his practice time. and yeah that like pwned lyn ted and so on should tell u guy that this was not only the race. and sry if u wanna tell me orc is imba vs elf or hu then something is wrong in ur head. #15 that was mb the most retarded balance "idea" ever. |
| delete orc and we have no problems ... worst balance blizzard game ever = wc3 |
| 1st and 3rd are orcs....nice another title for the imba race :) |
| I'm not gonna explain it all over again. For the brainless "orc imba" posters, go here: http://www.gosugamers.net/warcraft/gosubet/69460/50 (check for posts #94 and #111). Maybe you'll understand why Moon is so bad vs orc and why Like deserves this win. |
| good job like! now just kick off suho and everybody in WE is world classed! |
| i have collected the replays,and made a rar file. you can download in this page: http://www.vivizu.com/?p=557 My site:http://www.vivizu.com |
| #18 u talk like u read his contract can u give me link to it cuz even bw players mandatory practice time per day is 8hrs (may differ other teams) |
| #18 Moon needs a title and deserves it more than Like.... -.- |
#25 Plz set "deserve". For me Like played better, so he deserved and won. |
| #24 get into the wemade fox site. There it says Moon practices 10 hours a day. #25 U dont deserve a title when u make those many mistakes vs a great player like Like. Its not about deserving, its about playing better. For all of those that keep replying "orc imba", "Orc again" and etc, plz, at least watch the games first before embarrassing yourselves with such ignorant replies. |
| so #24. not like i said something different. they HAVE 2 trian this 8h. after that they can do whatever they want. but they often train more then just 8h. and all i want 2 say iss that this "Omg hes training SCII" is just bullshit. and again if someone says orc is imba vs elf or hu he should be killed. |
| #28 Ofc Orc is imba, do you seriously believe that Orcs started all of a sudden to win 80% of the tournaments with only 1 good MU ? Orc vs UD is imba since the beginning of Frozen Throne, so how would that happen ? Ye it's not THAT imba if that's what you mean, but if the games goes normally the Orc will be ahead, that's why Moon tried to be over agressive and failed miserably. Now if you've a 3 digitals IQ you can try to think further and figure out why Orcs like Like always play the god damn same strat and never try any out of the box strategy/creeping/aggression. |
| #27 Problem is that you see only moon's mistake and you dont see how many mistakes like was doing. You don't know how hard is micro elf's units, how hard is creeping when you don't know if bm is there or no. Orc is not imba orc is just too easy to play. What is hard to micro units with 600 hp and spirit link?, what is hard to map control with bm, when he can just run from base to base in a 5 sec? Moon played better than like in this games. On AI like was doing sooo many mistakes and moon did 1 and he lost. This is problem if elf want to win vs orc he can't do anyone mistake and every player is just only a human so it's impossible. You think that orc players play good because it looks like they played great. They can keep units with soo looow hp and you think they are just so goood, but it isn't hard when you have 600 hp and spirit link and sometimes healing wave. Try to do it with talons or driads then you will be good. And to cyclone who says that moon plays bad vs orcs because he is agresive. This is only way to win. He must be risky, agresive if not orc just will take control, get 3 tc so fast and then destroy elf. You don't know how hard is playing ne vs orc and moon for me is the best player. You can see that every turnament is winning orc and sometimes human. Bacause only who can win turnament vs orcs are humans and moon. |
| #21 Cyclone. You should take a look at post #114 of the matchbet you linked and considere what's said there. I wont bring any arguments since I've discussed this too many time to barely bother anymore. Ill just provide you a little metaphor -With the most stable ground, its easier to construct the highest buildings |
| so #29 u cry about moon playing dots vs orc 24/7? no. why should like change his strat when he has the hightest winrate with it? bs. and yeah orc elf must be so freaking imba that orc cant take a 50 vs 50 sup fight otherwise they loe the game. u call this fuckng imba?. und #30 u started this "oh 600hp mimimii so much hp" thing? tells that u have so fucking no clue about this fuckign game TT what do uthink would happen of orc has 500 hp grunts or whatever or 400 hp raiders or whatsoever? right they go dooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooown. but yeha lets call the 700 hp grunts that are so slow like a fucking peon on crack imba. not like ud has 2 gouls instead. or the best t1 unit in the whole game. nonono. (yes bet t1 unit. but not in a crap position vs mass melee before u gonna say grunts > fiends). but yeah orc must be the reason that fly grubby and lyn win the tournaments. and now 1 tourwin by like. wow this must be imba orc can NEVER play better these days orc is always worse and they only win because of the race... dont get me wrong i dont say elf or whatever has the advantage or whatsoever. BUT orc vs elf/hu is balanced overall. on some maps 1 race has a slight advantage. ah yeah "and u dont know how hard it is 2 play orc vs elf". oh but wait. orc has high hp units so it must be easier right?. get a clue of the game thx. |
| #30 yes and Like also did a mistake when he sent walkers first and he lost...at pro lvl when u make a huge mistake u are done and Moon made many critical mistakes. Hard doesnt mean imbalance, its hard to creep with bm?? prolly, its also hard to use the am vs mana burn or bm...its also very hard to run from a elf when u have poison slowing u and bears killing u, that doesnt mean the match up is imbalanced. As #28 said orc isnt imba vs elf or hu, neither is hu vs elf...its just that its easier to whine than look for a reasonable explanation. #29 do u ever get tired of stating orcs are imba without a reasonable explanation besides "orcs are imba and its impossible for elf to win, otherwise they would have think outside the box strat". Btw Moon failed miserably cuz of his mistakes, not because "orc is imba". Moon won 2-1 vs Lyn in group stage, arguably the best orc player after Grubby...i guess orc is only imba in finals and mass dotts only gets owned in finals. Oh wait he lost cuz he made a mistake....well also Moon vs Like. Only Orc vs ud is imba...else is just whining and fanboyism |
| Lol so moronic...; Seriously, Orc is imba, only 1 build order for EVERY MATCH UP AND EVERY MAP!!! (yeah yeah). Just stop to always defend imba BM and Orc lame way of playing. |
| Ok let's just sum up why orc is imba: - Only 1 build order in every match up - Blade master is the greatest hero at the moment (no need to argue) - Orc can sell tp at tier 1 without any problem (lol?) - Orc can stay tier 2 in everygame, no problem - Orc can lame like hell since they always go for raiders, witch is a rly good unit against building I think that's enough. |
| #33 Watch the games, Lyn would have bet Moon if he didn't forget half of his units while TPing. He had an exp + superior army and lost because of one noobish mistake. No matter how hard you try you will never be able to justify the fact that after some favorable patchs and some tiny adaptations (that any players like Moon/TeD would have figured out years before) the Orcs are now winning 4 out of 5 tournaments. Grubby/Lyn/Fly100%/Violet/Lucifron/Like/Future, you know what all these players have in common ? They all won a tournament recently, while players like Moon, TeD, Soccer, Happy, ReMind didn't. Now if you want to believe that these Orcs are ALL more talented, and particulary the last 4 ones, "k". Do you know how many international tournaments the NE and UD have won in 2009 ? 0. I use statistics to proof my point, you post a biased opinion, full of logical fallacies, that goes against all logic. |
| so tell me which NE except moon should win a tournament atm? soccer is a great player but he is not "THE player" u see going 2 the finals. remind? who is playing zotac 24/7? ~ or moon who played bad just bad in 2009 watch his games and compare it 2 the games in his pride he played bad. btw statistic is bullshit. 4 zergs are in the top 5 of the official ranking from Kespa is zerg imba now in the most balanced game ever?. seems like u just look up the results... or do u watch the fucking games? if u watch this fucking games u cant tell me they won because its so hardcore imbalanced. i mean orcs start 2 use FS even more now and grubby also destroyed ted in 7min with FS NO one said a thing NO one 2nd game he won with Bm MIMIMIMIMI imba. (was some time ago). and still tell me how orc can be imba but cant take a 50 vs 50 fight vs elf? i mean when its imba they should win 40 v 50 battles or whatever. but yeah some stupid results without seeing the games hm? watch the games and then start talking. cause there was no elf in 2009 2 win anyhting. wanna tell me fly won all the tournaments in 2009 because of his race? and not because he was stable for the firt time over some time and not only for 1 tournament? and btw playing the same bullshit against this "imba" orc wont change anything. so also tell me why should orc think outside of the box intead of ud? i mean u all still would play some standard t2 push or whateve rwith ud vs orc if u wouldnt see ted. and now also tell me how come moon won vs fly and lyn in the groupstage BUT lost 2 like in the final? is it because orc is so imba at the final? or like did just play better?. but wait.... he didnt win 7823479345 tournaments so it must be the race and like cant improve and cant play better than a guy who won many tournaments. oh wait.... oh and like played better in this tournament so yes. and future played better in the tournament he won so yes. lucifron got his "skill" because he makes 400 games in 2 days. and not like violet won sucha major tournament. |
| #34 get back to sc, u have no clue of this game. #36 First of all, fallacies arent logical, otherwise they wouldnt be fallacies. Feel free to pm Mephiztopheles if u need some linguistics class. Now, about the game, yes Lyn lost cuz of that (nubish mistake), so did Moon, and so did Like in second game. Statistics....if i recall correctly ur so called correct statistics showed that orc vs ne was 54%, orc vs hu was like 50% and orc vs ud was totally imba like more than 65% right. So, if orcs wins 4 out of 5 tourneys that means theres something wrong with probability here because for orcs to win that much tourneys as they have they would have had to face like 7 undeads every tourney, some night elves and very few humans. Oh wait mb there has something to do with the sample size...Yes it does, u named 7 good orc players (future being good would be debatable....violet not good, seriously dude?) and 5 good not orc players. Ofc u missed Infi and prolly some others, still the quantity of orc players is more, which means that orc race have more chances to reach a final just because there are more orc players. Now thats statistically logical, which beats ur "orcs are imba cuz otherwise some1 would have made up something for them not winning" which is completely ridiculous orc vs ne wise. My opinion is biased??? lol, i basically hate every race but hu not to mention how annoying the bm is, and dont get me started on a tc lvl 3. Still im not whining. Oh and again, dont involve ud in the argument, no1 is denying orc vs ud is imbalanced. |
| #37 HAHA future, like, focus, lucifron are more skiled than soccer or remind?? It was the best what you said. HAHA 2 years ago only grubby, fly and lyn were winning turnaments and only they are really skilled players. And plz don't say that players: like,future.lucifron,focus are more skilled than soccer, moon, remind or ted. Yesterday in zotac who was in final? suprise!! 2 orcs, every turnament is winning by who?? suprise!!!!!!!! orc (yea only wcg and iest by human because this is only mu 50-50) But ofc fly,grubby,lyn.like,future,violet,lucifron,focus are much better than moon,remind,soccer,ted. Orc is only race who don't need tier 3, and "but yeha lets call the 700 hp grunts that are so slow like a fucking peon on crack" maybe lets talk about rider who are cheap, faster, had much hp, and with spirit link and hv are hard to kill. and have ensnare wchich you can't dispel. And plz army with riders,bm,tc or sh, sw, are the strongest in all game. And for every from this units you don't need t3. But ofc you have right orc players are the most skilled. |
| no point on arguing on a dead game!(sad but true) it's not orcs' fault,but blizzard's! i am not gonna change race so i can win easier because blizzard is so lazy to make some small changes,which require 30 mins most.I just won't play the lame game anymore.I will remain a fan,but will have less love and expectations regarding the game and its pro scene,simple as that.I think that most of warcraft players who loved the game since its beginning and kept supporting it will agree with me and admit the fact that the game is DEAD. |
| when did is ay they are overall more skilled? BUT when they fucking won their tournaments they played better. thats a fact watch teh games and if u say something different stfu. wanna start wayne zotac now? 15745 wins of remind because hes so skilled ? 85945 orc wins because its s imba right right. and yeah if u get all orc units u get a strong army true. i mean why do u whine so much about this combo? TT atleast ! 4 different units. vs ud atleast 5. so what do u want orc else 2 play? add some shaman or docs? so u stop "mimimi all the time the same?" its wc3. everyone is playing the same strat. but yeah ofc i said they are more skilled xD little donk learn 2 read. and since u say hu vs orc is 50 50. what do u think about orc elf? wanna tell me its imba that orc cant take a 50 vs 50 fight? even if they win they loses the game?. and i hope u know that this BM TC raider walker stuff is the counter vs dots AND they play vs this dot stuff EVERY FUCKING SINGLE TIME. so dont u think that every orc is getting better against this? |
| "wanna start wayne zotac now? 15745 wins of remind because hes so skilled ?" yeah he is skilled and i can start whine zotac because of that 2 Manuel "Grubby" Schenkhuizen 11 3 Eom Hyo "FoCuS" Sub 10 4 Dong Hwan "viOlet" Kim 9 "o dont u think that every orc is getting better against this? " So why every elf isn't getting better against orc stratt when orc always plays the same??? Why they can't win with this race even when they know what orc will do?? "4 different units. vs ud atleast 5. so what do u want orc else 2 play? add some shaman or docs?" I don't whine no how much units use orc but at this combo bm,tc/sh/raiders/sw This combo is so good and don't need tier 3. And elf need tier 3 because of orbs, cyclone, bears. Yeah dots are good but they had very low hp, they are slow, theirs attack are low and cyclone can be dispel. And raiders are faster, had more hp, their attacks are stronger only they cost more and ensnare cant be dispell. and orc had spirit link. I am only suprised why moon didin't played bm,mass hunters, mass esp at MV. He often play this strat on MV and it often works. Ok this is my last post in this news because even if in every turnaments in top6 will be only orcs you will say that orc is not imba. |
| because orc i playing the counter and not elf. so if the counter gets better u wanna win with the worse strat? so u want 2 have raider or walkers or what on t3? orc is known for the t2 strength. it was always like that. so dont whine even when orc was weak. so dont cry. raider attack is only stronger vs dots. cause counter. WOHO who would have thought. dots wa splayed before everyoen played raiders walkers stuff. now raiders walkers is standard = counter vs dots = dots are not that strong. and i say that orc is imba vs ud but not vs hu elf. and u say that because of some tournament wins. who should win? there was no elf 2 win. and human also won tournaments. so whats ur problem? and yeah like #38 said there are like a quartermillion orc players on top lvl and only 1k top players for the other races. but yeah orc only wins because of the race. i hope u guys dont play poker. |
| #42 u are completely overreacting like it was impossible for elf to beat orc. It is not, its actually quite doable as a lot of matches prove it. Dont act like elf vs orc was ud vs orc, seriously |
| Moon was more skilled in those games? Sorry, I can't see it. Like played much better than Moon and won almost every regular fight, he should have finished moon by 2:0. But I think the most exciting games happened between Lyn and Like.1st game, Like lost ridiculously after killing lyn's two heroes.2nd game, Like lost his BM and some grunts at early game,even commentators thought he would gonna lose 90%,but Like amazingly killed lyn'lv2 bm twice with lv1 bm showing us a great comeback.3rd game, Like kept up his strong shape and killed all lyn's units. |
Who is like ?  |
| LoL it's useless to speak with such noobs... Saying I have no clue is funny, since I am an elf player since the beginning of warcraft. It's not cauz i have a zerg icon that i know nothing about w3. But w3 is dead, face it. And it is dead because you guys can't face the reality: orc are ruining all the fun there is in 1v1. Funny... how can you say that orc used counter... since when raider + sw is the counter to anything ? It's just a cookie-cutter strat based on the imbalanced bm's damaged and it was created way before the full talon was used in ne vs orc. Full talon IS the counter to blade master abuse. |
| since every race is playing caster vs orc yeah that is the counter vs everything :) but yeah all imba. orc players are so much worse they do mistakes 24/7 and elfs always play perfect (even if u cant have a perfect game). and again. tell me how can orc be imba vs elf but cant take a 50 vs 50 fight? because if they dont rape the shit out of them in the 50 50 fight they lose. |
| #48 yeah orcs cannot take 50 vs. 50 fight vs. elf for clear reasons. Mainly because of the fact all orc units need 3 supply and the talons only need 2 supply. This is very simple to understand: for having an equal army orc needs more supply cause their units cost more and need more places in food. The fact you're ignoring is the fact orc hardly ever really desperately needs to take that 50 vs. 50 fight, main of orcs just hit and run until they can safely produce a proper army of 60-70 pop. On pro level you see that nearly every game. Only a perfect early game of elf can result in the fact elf could push orc so strongly fast once he gets masters that orc was forced to take a 50 v 50 fight in his base, thoroughly unlikely if the orc succeeds to slow down elf at least a slight bit during advantaged tier2. You just cannot make a comparison like that "race A needs more pop than B to stand up and fight" by these theories elf vs. ud for example was a terrible terrible imbalanced matchup since elf nearly every game without an exception needs near to 80 pop to fight 50 pop of undead cause heroes/air so fast damages you. This single fact that elf needs more pop doesn't make ud imbalanced since expanding with elf is easier than expanding with ud so it results in 50/50 or a very slight advantage of ud. There're row of maps like EI where Orc has a free easy tier2 expansion when the enemies can't do much any to stop it while orc is able to easy harass your own counter-expo attempt down. You cannot really compare "pops" in this manner. Every decent player knows orc needs more pop than elf to fight up but notice elf also has enorm trouble to expand vs. orc+needs thousands invested on potions so getting up to +60 pop with elf is pretty much impossible while orc prolly buys one scroll and one invu every now and then and that's mainly enough for one fight, cannot say the same about elf. If you wanna make comparison please try to be a bit more sensible and think a bit beyond the case. As a player myself I am elf as my mainrace but whenever possible i choose orc against elf instead of mirror because the matchup is funny as an orc and i know once i can perfect my strat with orc no elf will do a shit unless he is double better than me. |
| omg somebody should upload these replays soon |
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