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The Koreans are coming? Again? (2296 reads, 18 replies, 4 months ago)
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Its been a long while since FXORaelcun blogged that the Koreans are coming to steal your pennies.
Well, here it is again…. The Koreans are coming.
A wittle bwirdy told me this morning that a certain number of brood war persons will be playing sc2 professionally in approximately 40 days time.
These pros are A team pros.
Whilst I am not fully familiar with the names (I am for sure not going to openly state who they are for risk of being insulted) I know that their results are very solid and consistent from brood war.
They have been playing sc2 for approximately 5 months so far, and from what I am told, they only play sc2 now during practice time.
This my dear friends, is the beginning. The beginning of what will soon be the true starcraft pro scene.
So in the true theme of what I have been preparing for for a while now. I will grow my finger nails so that when two of these bw pros meet in sc2, I can bite them off in what is surely going to be some nail biting sc2. Like Leenock vs MVP gsl semis… I think I bit my finger nails until they bled.
Looking back at this blog, I have been so vague I should write for TMZ…
Call me PerezBoss
Peace

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edit: Wrong forum, please relocate thanks
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4 months ago
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shizzlle
Really interested in seeing what these guys might bring to SC2. A boost of skill across the board? Sick new (bw influenced?) builds that could possibly change the way certain MUs are played? I'm not saying it will happen but these guys really are amongst the top of the top tier gamers in terms of skill and mechanics etc.

I think having these guys around before HotS will also help speed up the learning process of what the expansion offers.

Their already immense skill in the broodwar/rts scene and the conditions they are used to training in will of course mean these guys will be great players, but will it necessarily mean top 5 koreans will consist of only ex bw pros? If so, how long will it take?

interesting stuff for SC2, sad stuff for bw =\
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4 months ago
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1# huge fail dude seriously, look at boxer nada and july they all came and they suck, let flash and jaedong come they gonna suck anyway, until they managing to be somewhat stable the new add on is already out


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StenGah
"but these guys really are amongst the top of the top tier gamers in terms of skill and mechanics etc."

Yeah, they are, in SC1. Those so called mega turbo pros will not change the SC2 scene at all. Just stop with this BS, they are not "gods" in rts..
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the thing is, jaedong flash and bisu are gods in macro and multitasking. SC2 brings a lot of these players to more or less the same level.

I expect them to be top players but will not dominate. If fact, you cant really say that there has been a player that has dominated at all in SC2. If Bling managed to take a game off MVP...
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I am pretty sure that they will be good, but no, I don't think that they will be anywhere close to their SC BW level. These are different games, in one you need very high APM for all the unit control, macroing, microing and multitasking. In other, you don't need high APM at all, and what you really need is good scouting, decision making and awareness.
That is why we didn't see July dominating, even tough, his time has passed, he is still pretty good, but he lacks good decision making, because you can't just a-click with Banelings and Roaches, that get bugged into Force Fields for eternity while you are "macroing" and try to reproduce your whole army, which is pointless because you didn't do any damage with your first army.

So, yes, they will be on top. Bisu, JaeDong and Flash will be among the top for sure, but they won't dominate as they are dominating SC BW currently. Or maybe they will if the game changes drastically with expansions.
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#2 cheers for the "huge fail", but if you go back and actually read what I said, I didn't claim sh!t, just questioned some possibilities.
As for boxer/nada/july being shit.. firstly none of these guys were in their prime when they switched over yet they are all regulars in code S/A now. So where are you coming from? Does a player have to achieve as much as MMA/MvP to 'not suck'?

#3 Really i'm talking about the skills that will transition over from playing an RTS so religiously like they have with BW. How many progamers get to train in conditions like the BW pros have? Forget i'm even talking about bw, that alone has to count for a lot and will count when they start up SC2 in a familiar training setting.
I don't know why people are getting so fired up over something they will have no clue about until the time comes.

Again i'll highlight i'm only putting questions/thoughts out there, ive already stated on this site i dont think it'll be bw pro domination so chiiillll
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Certainly interesting as it adds more entertainment in the scene, but have you ever considered that Broodwar players are slightly overhyped?
The way I see it, throw in Flash or Jaedong or whatever, MMA and MVP will still own!
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#7 Yeah don't get me wrong, even though I think these guys definitely have the potential to be amongst the top sc2 players, I don't believe you can just simply discard the skills of guys like MMA/MvP/Nestea/dongraegu/MC etc etc just like that, plus the amount of time they've already been playing Sc2 at a professional level. also by the time the BW pros are nearing the top in SC2, the other progamers will also have had more time to evolve their own plays and skills.

just a bit of food for thought though, was reading about hyun on TL before I posted this. within a month of playing SC2 he reaches masters and joins TSL. on his 1st attempt he attains Code A status.
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SC2 is such a shallow game skillwise that I think i'll have to agree.

They will be very, very good. But I dont think that they will dominate the SCene so much that others wont have any chances

its not BW...
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Even if FlaSh is a god, sc2 will hinder his skill and put him down to a level where others can beat him. Simply put: he cannot utilize all of his skill in a game like sc2 whereas in bw he can
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2012-01-29 23:14, Pulimuli wrote:
Even if FlaSh is a god, sc2 will hinder his skill and put him down to a level where others can beat him. Simply put: he cannot utilize all of his skill in a game like sc2 whereas in bw he can


Good point but you forgot something very important:

Terran is op. And now if it is Flash who is coming, Terran would be invicible.
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#10 Flash is not a god.
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2012-01-31 19:02, StenGah wrote:
#10 Flash is not a god.

He prob is
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wouldnt say that the BW players will change the scene completly and dominate




but they will add a few names to the list of people who are ahead of the rest (currently: DRG, MVP, MMA, MC)
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People actually saying that the sc pros cant utilize their entire skills in sc2, should stop being so naive... Do you actually think the players today are even close to what they will be skill wise compare to 5 more years? No, and that is because there is huge ways to still evolve in terms of skills in this game. Sure the mechanics are easier, but the depth in this game is much more so then sc. Because of bigger variations in units, maps, physics etc. We have not even had our expansions yet ffs...
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Only time can tell. :)
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it will be interesting to see if the new generation can take on the old sc:bw veterans. but since sc2 has a really lower skillcap I think they can be good, but will not be able to dominate the scene. thats my thoughts atleast.

2# they were not good in sc:bw either. when they changed the scene their glory days had been gone for years. To say that boxer, july and nada sets the mark for all the sc:bw players is far from a valid point.
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The first 2 games of Gumiho vs DRG yesterday showed what insane multitasking can do in sc2. Gumiho made DRG look so outplayed and outclassed. He had no answer to 3 drops in different locations, while he massive engagement was happening midfield. Gumiho was able to keep insane pressure and harass while keeping up with macro and to me it showed where sc2 is heading. Yeah DRG came back and won last 3 games, and me being a zerg player was happy for that. But the last 3 games, he won in a game where gumiho seemed way ahead again due to a great descision to fast tech broodlord which caught gumiho completely offguard(gumihos own fault, he did not do anything to scout and prepare) . And in the last 2 games he won with scouting and great descision making, which ultimately punished gumiho for taking risks.

Game 4 gumihos hellion marauder push was scouted, because he let lings run by, from there on it was downgoing spiral where he kept letting lings run by and kill scv and stray units. Awful game by gumiho, maybe the nerves took over.

Game 5. He tried the same hellion marauder push, which was scouted again, then he decided to fake it and made 3 CCs and teched at the same time. DRG made a roach push and punished him hard for being that greedy.

Whenever Gumihos initial pressure was scouted and countered he was extremely greedy and almost lost in game 2 duo to that aswell. IF he was just a little less greedy and a bit more carefull, his multitasking would no doubt have won him the series. DRG was not able to keep up with his insane APM, which according to Tastoises was at the level of BW pros.

To conclude this, i think as sc2 involves it will become more and more important with insane multitaske and APM just like bw, if you look at the first seasons of GSL and now, there is a huge difference in the meta and what is required to be a top tier pro. If the old BW pros like Jaedong, Flash and Bisu are able to not make to many mistakes -> keep a good descision making and at the same time transfer their multitasking and APM somewhat to sc2 they will be high end no doubt.
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