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Posted by Bryan "Micro-Lzuruha" Wood 1 year ago
Although there has been a lot of talk about a certain race having too much power, it may not be the case in one of the servers.
| KR Top 200 Movements | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Rank | Race | Player | LstWk | |||||||||||||||||||||
| 1st |  |  요츠바랑 | 1 | |||||||||||||||||||||
| 2nd |  | NEXGenius | 2 | |||||||||||||||||||||
| 3rd | | oGsEnsnare | 4 ( 1) | |||||||||||||||||||||
| 4th | | HopeTorture | 24 (20) | |||||||||||||||||||||
| 5th |  | 오지에서과일장수 | 15 (10) | |||||||||||||||||||||
| 6th | | oGsGon | 7 (1) | |||||||||||||||||||||
| 7th | | Sulli | 14 (7) | |||||||||||||||||||||
| 8th | | PainKiller | 16 (8) | |||||||||||||||||||||
| 9th | | oGsTheWinD | 8 ( 1) | |||||||||||||||||||||
| 10th | | oGsZenio | 5 (5) | |||||||||||||||||||||
| 11th | | oGsTOP | 12 (1) | |||||||||||||||||||||
| 12th | | HongUnPrime | 19 (7) | |||||||||||||||||||||
| 13th | | 이승엽 | 26 (13) | |||||||||||||||||||||
| 14th | | SimpsonPrime | 21 (7) | |||||||||||||||||||||
| 15th | | CezannePrime | 11 (4) | |||||||||||||||||||||
| Race total of top 200 | |||
| Top 15 | |||
| 7 | 2 | 6 |  0 |
| Top 50 | |||
| 20 | 14 | 15 | 0 |
| Top 100 | |||
| 38 | 34 | 27 | 1 |
| Top 200 | |||
| 77 | 71 | 51 | 3 |
With in the top 15 there is a drastic change from the other servers in the amount of Zerg, though with enough players it almost evened back out. Will some of the American and European players pickup on some of the strategies in play?
| Links |
| Battle.net - The Full Top 200 |
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| It dosnt convince me. Terran is still OP. |
| #1 Agree , in Eu top 15 is only one zerg... Looking at KR TOP list.. you just see Zerg is MORE , popular in KR |
| Could it be possible that the Koreans are playing with skill and improving their gamestyle instead of whining? |
| #2 you are wrong. You dont just see that zerg is "more popular". If it was really imbalanced, zerg could be as popular as you want, but it still wouldnt have 5 players in the top 10. Popularity doesnt translate to skill. If it were that bad, there would be mostly terrans in the top 10 regardless of how popular a race is. Terran might need a bit of reworking, but to blindly state that zerg is only doing well in korea because it is "popular" is absurd, and down right ignorant. |
| 3 Terran in top 5 i guess that speaks for it self. Zerg is obviously more popular in Korea than other servers, never the less there is still just one Zerg in top 5. (Also notice that none of Zergs was in higher spot than 5) |
| Damn toss is rly underpowered, that's clear now. So, buff protoss, buff zerg, and nerf terran, gogo blizz'! |
| Who's the guy at #1? |
| yeye u all speak about zergs and terrans AND WHAT ABOUT sweetmama tossies? only 2 in top 15 :(( |
| Is it TheStC? Btw GOGO PAINKILLER (Check!) ! |
| here is the interview of 과일장수 and Testor about what they are thinking of sc2 scene. 과일장수(Cool, Fruitseller) - When I see sc2, first time, I just wanted to play it for joy, but when there were many tournaments and it became bigger than I thought, I felt like I want to play again as a progamer. People are thinking that I am currently one of best player. I think it's because wc3 players are playing more than sc1 players. Sc1 players have more advantages to play sc2 than wc3 players. Zerg is actually the hardest race to keep fight with other races until in the late game. For now, playing with fast hand in sc2 is not that important, but it will be important when current sc1 progamers come to play sc2. Progamers can learn much faster to play sc2 than amateurs, I think current top sc1 progamers who are in high Kespa rank can also dominate in sc2 scene if they come. My goal of this GSL is just qualifying and joying in the tournament. Testor(sSKS) - I retired the eSTRO coach because I had some FA problems, and wanted to joy the sc2 convincely. As a coach, when I watched my progamers playing in the back and had to care of many different things, and then the sight became wiser to see the games than when I was progamer, and that helps me a lot to play sc2. Sc1 progamers have advantages than wc3 progamers to play sc2, the way to play is almost same as sc1, and even when I play the game, we have a lot more advantages especially in the late game for long macroing. Sc2 have a lot more strategies than sc1, and have many more diverse situations, and also the games are faster than I thought. Sometimes you have to care many unexpected strategies. I will surely go for GSL, and I was playing in the many broadcast and kinda worry that I am so known to others. If current sc1 progamers play sc2, then they will be scary... Especially many people are talking about if Jaedong and Flash play sc2. I think those two would also play the best in sc2 scene if they come to play it. When I watch their playing, I kinda know that they are the best because their sensitivity and skills are just too different with others. Protoss don't need that fast APM same as in sc1, but zerg and terran need it a lot to play better. If those two play their each race in sc2 too, then they might be so different with other players. |
| #9 TheStC is currently around ~20 anyone knows who the #1 guy is? edit: ok its MakaPrime thx GuMiho current rankings are : 5 terrans, 5 protoss and 5 zergs in top15 in korea(19:34 CET +1) pretty damn balanced no? |
| #7 he is Maka, #9 Check and TheStC is not there, Painkiller is not CheckPrime^^ |
| Its so easy to say something is OP when game is just released, theres no such a thing as OP i Korean language, its replaced by "you suck". |
| I think a lot of the western top players gravitated towards Terran (for instance: TLO) and away from Zerg because Terran seemed like a race with more opportunities and easier prize money. I don't find it unlikely that Korean players who already play with 400+ apm see Zerg as more tempting race to play.. let's face it, Zerg is the skilled race right now. |
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| thx for that @#10 i still think protoss is underpowered, srysly |
don't worry zerg cryiers. progamers like Jaedong, Effort, Zero, and Calm will come to save the swarm in the future.  edit: no problem #16 :p |
| Koreans just know that Mutas and banelings are the key to ZvT. How many Zergs other than Dimaga use them efficiently against T in Europe again? yo sup Not to mention that Idra and Dimaga are both on a completely different level than anyone in EU/S. Machine and Sheth are the only notable Zerg worth mentioning. |
| Too bad they dont just balance game because of top level play is imbalanced, they do it even for bronze league. Remember infestor nerf because players mindcontrolled ultralisk's in zvz @ copper league........................................... |
| #18 - Sure but as of this recent IEM event that has got massive exposure, I suspect we´re going to see many more Zergs emerging, as they "see the light". It´s like with everything else - if it happens in private ladder games, the information will get out there slowly to the masses, if´s broad-casted on highest level you will get a lot of people trying to replicate. After all the game is less than a month old (gold) so it´ll go through many different phases. Another thing that can impact game-play is if/when east meets west (US/EU faces Korea). Currently there is a lot of talk about how the meta-game dynamics are very different between the realms. As soon as we start seeing westerners tested against Koreans, where we might see potential holes in their strategies, we wont know what happens. As of sometime in year 2000, Korea surpassed the western world almost entirely, in Starcraft: Brood War, both in numbers and skill-level (in general). We´ll see what happens when SC2 truly penetrates. I saw some numbers somewhere, that there were on the realm ladders: US: 500k+ players EU: 380k+ players KR: 50k+ players (Certainly more now I would imagine) So with that in mind, its not unreasonable to also assume that there is a 10:1 chance US players in general are better than Korean players at this stage in the game? By the way, going back to Brood War, Korean players outnumbered rest of the world 10:1 sometime around end of 1999 or early 2000 if I am not mistaken... E |
| In my opinion, as game is just released, nobody cannot judge what will happen in sc2 in future. even sc1 progamers' skills which are not understood by most of ppl are not sure in the future of sc2. well.. ppl can talk about the future, but judging it by their thinking is just meaningless... |
| This post is so stupid (the news post) Its not a question of "will the european zergs learn korean way to play zerg" its a question of "will the korean terrans learn how to play terran like europeans" also: to the balance question, i want to add that of us "lower ranking" players, who just play for fun, and kinda suck, zerg is rly the underdog, it requires a much higher apm to macro with, (im currently in top ranking diamond, but by far a sucky player) and at my skill level zerg is allmost unplayable compared to a likewise skilled terran. |
| #22 seems like european and us players don't know to play the zerg... but, both eu/s and korean knows to play the terran ^^ |
| Gumiho who is the 5th ranked Zerg? |
| #24 u must know him 과일장수(cool, fruitseller) who is the winner of sc2 world cup that sponsored by china in beta season. |
| So fifth ranked player is FruitSeller.. Well yes i know him but i dont know korean letters. :D |
| There's a mistake in the top 15 listing. SimpsonPrime plays Terran, and CezannePrime plays Zerg. CezannePrime has semi-recently switched races from Terran to Zerg, so that might be the issue. |
| Lol terran dominating in all ranks ... xD im not saying anything but thats the true... maybe coincidence? |
| we all known korean programmer play in a way that is beyond US/EU we can just sit and watch if blizzards decides to do something or just scratch their asses and say how about no. |
| u can see xD p is weakest xD 2 p xDDD |
| Gumiho, not sure if you got the previous Top200 moves, because that way we can clearly see if Terran is improving a lot in Kr, since I remember tons of people claiming that Zergs in Kr dominates the scene, but the currently top15 seems like terran is tied with zerg (but top 200 numbers show other results). The tendency show that Terrans are becoming more and more better (I guess its despite they got more units than zerg), IMHO, terran is a perfect polished race, with nice mechanics, and efficiency, good counter units, and fast time reaction, while Zerg in the other hand, got hard mechanic, time consuming , and micro intensive (Spawn larva and creep), not many synergy creatures/spells, weird Tiers (Roach T1.5, Hydras T2) too many upgrades (Broodlord, needs, spawning pool, Lair, Spire, infestation pit, hive, great spire, and corruptor), lack of invisible atacking creatures, cliff walk/jump creatures, etc... |
| #31 yea I agree with u that terran is the strongest race for now, a lot of korean ppl already talking that terran is too strong and greatest race to win. i also win more than other races when i play terran. i was in top200 in korea previosly as a random player, and currently i'm blamed in the rank... but what did i talk about the rank of races? yea even i have thought blizzard need to nerf the terran. but, it actually depends on player's style to choose their race. players like Check said he is doing the best when he play zerg than other races. but still in korea, zerg players have much more complains than terran and protoss players... i know terran is the easiest race to win, but ppl should not only complaining of zerg, and start to learn to play it like korean zergs do.^^(yea korean zergs said they would blame blizzard when they nerf zerg again) edit: and i think it's so meanlingless to talk about what race is the most in top15. because every hour it changes a lot, in that news post, protoss seems really weak, but sometimes there are 5 protosses in top15 in korea. and when u see top200, it shows that korea is more balanced than eu/s. |
| i dont understand why should i think zerg is balanced atm just because Korea server has some really high lvl players as Zerg If blizzard only cares about top 15 then ok they should think its pretty balanced but when u check the top 200 i dont see any differences betweem them EU: T 83 / P 69 / Z 44 5 Random US: T 89 / P 64 / Z 43 5 Random KR: T 77 / P 71 / Z 51 3 Random and i watched my other friend which are in lower leagues like gold plat Mostly its all about TvT probably %50 of players are T Im not sure if this is an imbalance but surely it makes the game boring in noob and chobo levels |
| i do accept zerg doesnt have many options like T and P, but thats pretty much it, start talking about imba terran , all i hear is : whine , Whine, whine , whine , whine, whine, whine. get over yourself, and play the damm game and thats how the game will evolve not with some , ah i feel P is imba lets patch, and then ah i feel terran is imba lets patch, then ah i feel random is imba lets patch, ah i feel everything is imba lets patch , ah i feel you are whiney lets patch. you realize sc1 have eras when one race was totally dominating everything and they didnt patch, thats because things and strats change in respect to time, if theres a patch needed you have to wait more time not one /((&(/ MONTH |
| T is just the easiest race to play. Z is the hardest, but due to dominating soo much in the beta, Blizzard buffed the other races while nerfing zerg a lot. Reapers and maybe hellions are the only imbalanced things in TvZ. Ghosts, too, but people(I am!) aren't using them yet. |
| #3 im glad someone said it |
#35 random is imba....made my day  |
| I have seen some korean terran players playing and they simply need to learn to play terran from european players. They only mass tanks, bio and thor, haven't seen banshees or proper hellion harrass. Instead, they try to expand as the time the zerg does so they don't abuse from 1-base-terran strats. Too bad imho. |
| Well all know what zerg is without 200+ apm for atleast The average level in korea is so high that we zerg can hold off cheese bullshit. In euro the level is lower so they don't stand a chance because the skillcap for terran is like half of zerg In other words they are just so fucking skilled they can cover up for imbaness |
| as this is just beginning of sc2, even u dont have enough skills, u still can beat better oppenents with many kinds of strats |
| It's important to keep in mind that Zerg is less frequently used at all levels of play, for example only 24% of Korean diamond players use Zerg. Inasmuch as this difference is apparently attributable largely to aesthetic/stylistic considerations rather than balance, it could be a reason to expect somewhat fewer Zergs at the top (though not as few as we see on EU). Really, there doesn't seem to be much to see anything in the Korean stats besides random deviation; maybe Protoss is hurting a little bit. |
| no SE asia standings?? |
| Oh I see Blizzard will have to release a patch that will include +1000 to skill for European and US zergs, because clearly asians know how to play the race instead of QQ and troll on forums... |
| It's obvious to me that Euro and US player need ltp. They're playing zerg the wrong way. It feels like dimaga is the only zerg in EU that knows how to play zerg. |
| KOREA!!! sad they cant have tournaments on Korea,, even if they will try, battle.net have track on them,,, but still,, Korea will dominate,, again.. |
| #34 exactly, the majority plays terran. That might also statistically explain the domination of terrans in the top. Would be nice to see some exact figures of how many more terrans there are than zergs and protosses. If there's like 5:3:2 ratio of terran:protoss:zerg then the game is imbalanced, 'cause terran should be dominating more than they are right now and thus zerg and toss should be nerfed. Just a thought :). And if the game is boring because everyone's playing terran and thus every game is TvT, then just start playing with z or p! I switched to zerg (from mostly p and some t in Beta) after the game came out since ppl were playing too much protoss in beta in my opinion. PvP was getting kinda boring. The campaign is also only for terran so it is only natural that almost all new players will start playing as terran. I know I felt an urge to switch to terran after playing the campaign a bit. Then I heard that T is OP and I had to resist :]. ... One side note is that I never could master zerg as wel as I mastered t and p in broodwar, but now in SC2 I feel that zerg is a super fun race to play! Creeping is super nice and nydus worms are much more easily obtainable than in broodwar, both of which probably should be used more by those who think winning as zerg is too difficult. |
| there u have some statistic to go after, where the good players is its even among the races |
| "This post is so stupid (the news post) Its not a question of "will the european zergs learn korean way to play zerg" its a question of "will the korean terrans learn how to play terran like europeans" This made me so LOL!!...are you friggin` kidding me?...so you mean that koreans yet have to learn how to play T proper,right?..dude,you probably are the worst noob out there...it`s a fact that terran is more user friendly due to their low micro needs and their easy to obtain combos especially early game... Take a look back when Boxer dominated sc:bw ... nobody EVER thought that someone will overcome a T player like him...that`s until someone else appeared (was it Savior?)...yea..then it happened the same all over again...Z is imba....Z is op....that`s when he drastically lost to Bisu...then we went at it again...P is so F&%^&%G imba....it`s the same here too,so stop crying about T being op... But i guess these complaints are coming from people that are too lazy to use Z proper...it`s not the same as pressing T and waiting for the tripleM to do their job,is it?..of course not...i dont even dare to think what will happen with the SC2 universe when the sc1 progamers will migrate over... Again,Korea shows us how this game should be played...a 5:5:5 perfect ratio in the top 15...players will swap places between eachothers,be sure of that... |
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