people who buy gomtv streams are the
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the real threat to esports industry not naniwa, seriously i am so angry people take it not only too seriously they make it sound like nani took their money or something. Its peoples own fault if they pay for a useless stream.
100 dollars seriously?? For a stream?? I could buy the most expensive mouse with that money, you could do anything with so much money then spending money to watch other people playing videogames. Of course there are also the people who happen to have too many money or being careless about it, they want to justify their purchase that it is all esport and for real sport you have also to pay a fee for a stream like in champions league. So what!!! it doesnt mean its right?? In the worldcup which is thankfully for free people make tons of money for advertising alone. Thats how it should be with all football games. Its a rip off to the football fans which could see these kind of games always for free in the past, and now they cant. there are actually a lot of people who streaming their paid stream on the internet so other people dont have to support this BS.
Esport shouldnt take everything into account what the real sports industry does. But thats the case people want really to make money out of it. All extra money for gomtv wont effect the price money for example, in the end it will land into the pockets of the suit guys not the players.
For years we had no problems in the industry no body had to pay something, it was all managed by advertisement and sponsors and people could make a living out of it and everyone was free to enjoy it why changing something which worked for years??? Do you a favor and dont support this BS.
warcraft 3 forever making things better and better WAR CR..
I kind of agree with you, even if I have spent money on buying GOMtv tickets, which I have regretted, not because of the Naniwa incident, but because of what I saw didnt really justify a price, since you can see plenty of Koreans duking it out for free on the TL.net streams and of course on the GOM livestream.
SC2 has been made into a money-making industry, far exceeding Brood War standards, that's for sure. Here we have coaches and "coaches" charging absurd amounts of money to teach a game, with no potential application, ie a Gold guy cant reasonably believe that he will compete any time soon, even if he forks out 40 dollars to a coach for 1-2 hours of talk. I'm completely against this bullshit as I believe in good-will.
However there are some advantages here. Before we had to rely on re-streams (which were eventually shut down by Kespa RIP nevake). Now there is a lot more power to the people, if you dont like the service or their decisions you can tell them and they will eventually have to listen to you since they depend on you.
But there is no way that I would buy a 100 dollar ticket for HQ ($140 for no ads).
Personally I didnt buy the Blizzcup ticket but I was planning to buy a GSL January ticket. I've for sure changed my mind. It really is a waste of money since there are so many alternatives.
All money going into gomtv will effect the estimated potential for starcraft 2, meaning it potentially can lead into more leagues trying etc.
It shows dedication... And in my eyes compared to the ammount of hours il put into it (compared to cable tv for instance) its actually quite cheap for a norwegian like myself at least.
Ofc it's your choice to buy/not buy, but you simply got to deal with it...
Its called supply&demand, if you demand you goto pay the supplier, if you don't want it... well then good for you, but atm its high demand so you will have to expect htat kind of a price.
#3 That is very true, especially mlg is providing really good quality in my oppinion and dreamhack ofc.
But i don't feel it's that much high-quality supply on a regular basis...
Personally i can't stand certain youtube commentators such as husky or hd, they're so repetative i prefere to watch it in silence. Also they say stupid stuff which i know to be wrong from experience :\
I still can't understand why people compare StarCraft II with football... There are like 10millions of players/fans on SC2 to what 750millions of football fans? eSports is new, not football....
OP, maybe if some of the pros didnt act like little idiot kids then more sponsors would be interested in advertising within E-sports. The current sponsors would want to put more money into it.. etc.
So atm you and naniwa are the reasons to why i have to pay to watch some of the most awesome starcraft2 games live. THANK YOU (alltho i dont see why 10$/month is a big deal, i pay more for spotify and i can also download all my music if i want)
#10, there are 39 million downloads of the GOMTV player, and there are even more people watching the normal stream on the internet.
Naniwa deserves to be kicked out of the GSL if all he does in korea is care about making a few extra bucks. Without the fans there wouldnt be any money, without any money there wouldnt be any pro leagues, without any pro leagues there wouldnt be any pros. So if you are gonna disrespect the fans just because you wont make any money of it, then you can go fuck urself.
hope you will never make such an idiotic post again.
Sorry to tell you but there is no professionalism without money involved. It is that simple. I dont think 100€ is too much if it means i can watch 12 GSL tournaments + code A tournaments from high quality view + i have all the vod's to rewatch whenever i want to. Seriously.. isn't it quite good deal for you;P? It's true suit guys make the real money.. but that's the problem in whole world in everything. There's nothing new and to change that.. maybe we should begin from wallstreet instead of Gomtv:P.
Sad fact? Yap. Ofc i understand the fight against markets and there's a point in many things.. but SC2, nope. Expecially when there's plenty of more skill developing streams free. You can watch white-ra, huk, TSjuly etc. for free. And it's even first person view.
I'm pretty sure Naniwa did what he did because he was frustrated with himself. He didn't set out to disrespect anyone. Some people may not agree that your intentions are important, but I think at least it should be considered.
Point being that if he didn't set out to frustrate/piss off the fans you don't have to take it so personal.
I think GOMTV and other tournaments should take advantage of the SC2 hype and make it more accessible to everyone and provide free streams. Like already mentioned more viewers=more advertisement income and more potential advertisers. Putting a price tag to see the best tournaments IMO limits the potential since there is so much free content to be had.
If it wasn't for KESPA being so narrow minded with SC1 I think it would have reached a much larger foreign scene then it did. It's like they found a gold egg and no one is allowed to see it without paying a hefty entry fee :D
They should spend more time on the format and making a proper rule book.
Every sport has bad mannered players or incidents where someone for one reason or another "lost" it. The punishment for Naniwa I think at least is way out of proportion. As a fan I understand the punishment but it's something I would expect from an individual making a rash decision based on emotions, not a thought out decision from a big company.
you know when i purchased the blizzcon ticket this year i really felt a bit ripped off, but in comparison to you 40€ were quit cheap for my purchase.
i got a stream for a tour/interviews and a panda marine potrait/decall in the game while you spent 100 bucks to see people playing videogames.
youre free to buy what you want but Seriously there are so many debate for ripping off people like expansive games or collections edition like in sc2 which was for 60 bucks this time and you pay 100 € to see people playing videogames. When Kotick does it for actual content or goodies hes the devil but if gomtv does it to watch people playing videogames they are holy, ''we must support esport, naniwa is the devil for not playing seriously for people who paid to watch other playing videogames, how dare he''etc.
warcraft 3 forever making things better and better WAR CR..
2011-12-16 19:50, HFkami wrote:
#11 12 seriously guys you both blow my mind
you know when i purchased the blizzcon ticket this year i really felt a bit ripped off, but in comparison to you 40€ were quit cheap for my purchase.
i got a stream for a tour/interviews and a panda marine potrait/decall in the game while you spent 100 bucks to see people playing videogames.
youre free to buy what you want but Seriously there are so many debate for ripping off people like expansive games or collections edition like in sc2 which was for 60 bucks this time and you pay 100 € to see people playing videogames. When Kotick does it for actual content or goodies hes the devil but if gomtv does it to watch people playing videogames they are holy, ''we must support esport, naniwa is the devil for not playing seriously for people who paid to watch other playing videogames, how dare he''etc.
What comes to Naniwa's actions i really do not agree how he threw the game, though i undestand why he did it. More about it here http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=295222 . I'm sure it's upset for many because Naniwa lost his code S status for january but that's life. When you buy ticket to watch GSL.. you buy ticket to watch GSL. Even though in your ownmind you could buy it only for seeing some foreinger. Shit happend.
What comes to money issue. I know i'm lucky human to have money enough to do something i enjoy with it in this cruel world. Ofc i have worked for it in real life, like getting education and doing the job. Now question is.. is it wrong being a fan of GSL (the league itself and what comes with it)? Though i agree prices could allways be lower in everything.
Back in days here in Finland IceHockey was kind a like "professional hobby". The best division players had to have a "real job" while playing as a "professional" because they did not get payed enough for just playing.
Sure it was entertaining times but when money came around things changed. IceHockey in Finland turned to real professionalism and for our little country i see it had more positive effect's in overall. We won world cup last year uknow;). That's something which makes whole country happy for a long time.
Deal is: Money is good if it's spend wisely.. also in sports. True, with money comes many things to deal with and what some idealists fight against (like you) but we never should refuse watch the other side of the coin. Could there be something good provided only because of money?
In personal level i'm amazed that someone other is telling me that i use my money careless ways without knowing me. Do you think i did not think how to spend and where to spend money because i'm stupid selfish rich european? I have family, wife and two children and you can be sure i think how to use money for family. It's a little bit irritating that i should not enjoy of wathing GSL and paying for it only because someone says so. is it inappropriate to enjoy GSL show? It's my hobby and i like it.
Yes i could do many other things too and it could have samelike effect but are you the one choosing what's good for me and what's not?
Is this the case where you find it important to moralisize others when there is some real issues to moralisize other people, like smoking, drinking, sexual immorality and many other bigger things that has real negative effect on invidual itself.
I find your whining worthless.
(Not that everything in it is bad but it's just so strongly one sided and arrogant.)
First of all, why would you buy the Premium package for 100 dollars instead of the Light Package for 70 dollars?
The only diffrence is that you cant watch 2 streams at the same time and you dont get to see the Korean vods and you cant watch the stream on a mobile service. But seriously, who would pay those 30 extra dollars for that?
70 dollars for a whole years GSL is really cheap. There will be 5 tournaments that lasts 2 months each. That's like 7 dollar a month for ALOT of games...like ALOOOOOOT. 7 dollars isnt even a money for a pizza + a coke... It's less than that were I live at least. It's less money than going to the cinema to see a new movie. It's a similar price to buying a beer on a pub around where I live.
So ONE single beer a month on a pub is a WHOLE month filled with GSL matches. I dont get why people complain? It's a lower price than it usually is? Usually it's 10 dollars a month, now it's 7 dollars.
I won't even bother taking time to give you a very though out answer, Naniwa was wrong in what he did and got punished for it, besides he earned his spot from a competition with a partnership with GSL. What he did just made GOMTV direction think they rather have people they can trust like Idra or Sen instead of that careless guy. Naniwa lacks professionalism obviously he thinks only about himself, changing teams like he changes clothes, showing no respect whatsoever to the competitions and sponsors that help him and give him the means to get so much money and train in such good conditions. When you see the loosy interviews he gives when he.. likes... wins a tournament ? i mean wtf, being good is not all you need for the development of esport you need to show you care man... anyway whatever he will learn from his mistakes i hope, he had it coming.
Here's something for you to think about. Taken from EGAlex's blog:
After reviewing many, many discussion threads on TL and Reddit, as well as other community commentaries, the public sentiment seems to be somewhere between 65/35 and 70/30 in disapproval of NaNiwa's actions.
These are the actual results from the poll he talked about:
I wouldnt trust everything on the net, especially from the CEO of another gaming organization who wants to steal the spotlight with such below the belt blows.
Here's something for you to think about. Taken from EGAlex's blog:
After reviewing many, many discussion threads on TL and Reddit, as well as other community commentaries, the public sentiment seems to be somewhere between 65/35 and 70/30 in disapproval of NaNiwa's actions.
These are the actual results from the poll he talked about:
I wouldnt trust everything on the net, especially from the CEO of another gaming organization who wants to steal the spotlight with such below the belt blows.
I never said i'm after some poll result but opinion of my own, which apparently seem to be quite a like same as EG-guy pointed out.
And for little provoke. Did you really wait swedish based gosugamers would agree Naniwa losing his code S status? There are guys who respect Naniwa even more after that childish acting. But what said Naniwa himself?
““After I played and lost 3 incredible close games, I was extremely upset with myself. I prepared a lot and wanted to show everyone – especially my Swedish fans – that I had what it takes to beat the best. Instead, I let everyone down.
I wasn’t thinking clearly, and acted unprofessionally. At first I didn’t realize how big of a deal it really was, but when I saw how much everyone wanted to see my game against NesTea, I felt terrible and truly began to realize what I had done. I first thought that the match against NesTea was meaningless, but now I realize that it really did mean a lot, and that there’s no such thing as a “meaningless game” in eSports.
I am sincerely sorry to all my fans that looked forward to our rematch. I had something very special prepared just for him, and I’m sure he had something just as special planned himself. To all Korean fans and pro-gamers, especially NesTea, I am so sorry if I offended you by doing what I did. When we meet again in a future match, you can all count on it being a match worth your while. I also want to apologize to Mr Chae, the directors, the casters and all the staff at GOMTV. I now understand how my poor decision disrespected all the hard work they put into running the GSL. I really hope that what I’ve done won’t damage eSports or GOMTV any further.
For a long time, I never really played this game for anyone else other than myself. Now, I realize that it involves so much more than that. I’m not alone playing from my home anymore; there are so many people watching my every game, and wanting to see me perform at my best. I don’t just play for myself anymore, but for all the fans of StarCraft 2 and eSports. Clearly, being a pro-gamer involves a lot more than I initially thought.”
With the statement i'll bring once again the main point's of my post's:
1) Money is not automatically curse but blessing because without it we would not have eSports.
2) Naniwa's act was lame and if we have more Naniwa-like acting on live event's i would think of stopping buying tickets. Hell, i dont think i would watch proscene anymore.
3) When you buy GSL ticket, you buy ticket for watching the /whole/ tournament. Sometimes people go to jail (savior) and you cannot get your money back even though you paid for the stream.
4) Pointing out that moralizing people you dont actually know is stupid.
BONUS POINT) If GomTV made rule up after game they have no legal right to take Naniwa's code S status.. even it is very understandable reaction in my opinion.
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the real threat to esports industry not naniwa, seriously i am so angry people take it not only too seriously they make it sound like nani took their money or something. Its peoples own fault if they pay for a useless stream.
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