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ShockeR_40 (Senior GosuBet Manager SC)

ISL2 drama (7492 reads, 30 replies, 11 months ago)

"DEiCCup.Paladin
23 Jun @ 19:43 CET

Team banned by iCCup Administration on June 23, 2011.

All accounts with an ISL2-tag have been locked on server, banned from website as unauthorized.

Registration of accounts tagged ISL2 is prohibited.

DEiCCup.Paladin
yesterday @ 01:47 CET

Team unbanned, ISL2_nOoNe made Leader.

Registration of ISL2-tagged User accounts permitted again.

GL & HF with your Event."

I think that the drama is over and everything's in order now ?

I certainly hope so ;)

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gns.i-jasa

The drama isn't over... it's just the quiet before the storm.

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11 months ago

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McBat (Moderation team leader, StarCraft team leader)

What do you mean, jasa?

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11 months ago

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LML (Division Leader SC)

It's obvious that the drama can by far not be over, it's basically the beginning if you look at it from a distance.

There was no real drama before, since it wasn't really that public.
iCCup admins acting against a person to deny that person the possibility to host tournament for the community while stages of it would be on their server.
That was what triggered this drama, but before that it was only alot of stuff which was privately going on between the two sides in this, of which the community didn't know and still doesn't.

Some parts of it are very sad, and this starting drama is only the crown of the foreplay, which however didn't make anything end, considering that this a step that was not only cruical but also devastating.

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11 months ago

McBat (Moderation team leader, StarCraft team leader)

Interesting. I hope it's all gonna end well and peacefully.

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11 months ago

ShockeR_40 (Senior GosuBet Manager SC)

So what ? ISL2 is not going to be played on ICCup ? I've heard that they want to host it on USWest servers... well, thats not the worst idea but i think I would prefer ICCup as a player.

hope that this drama is not gonna ruin this awesome tournament... The community should be much more important than some private stuff between Game and ICCup admins...(especially if the community is in the shape like it is right now...) If You'll dig something about this case, please post the news in this topic ;)

cheers.

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LML (Division Leader SC)

Well, as seen in the TL.net threads, the ISL2 is indeed happening on the iCCup server.
In return Game and JoeKim had to be removed from the ISL2 staff.
Not to mention that iCCup wants their logo at every official announcement and a promo trailer before the grand finale.

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ShockeR_40 (Senior GosuBet Manager SC)

#6 loool...

but they still can help with the tournament, just not officially (at least I think that this is going to happen) ;)

wtf with ICCup wanting so much publicity all of the sudden ?

pretty weird stuff

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sethgecko

Note: I'm not posting any official statement here. The situation may seem horribad from ICCup but there are reasons for Paladin's actions, more besides the casual drama that was going on with LRM)Game's usual BM that only offended some admins, including me. I may be a bit biased, but that is irrelevant, since I'm in no position that has anything even remotely to do with ISL 2.

There was no real official stance towards a possible ISL 2 from ICCup's side (internally) until Game announced that and pulled everything into public. I'm quite certain NOBODY of the staff wanted to tear down such a major event, or to stop it simply because out of personal grudges or to exclude Game who certainly did the basic work for this event. In my eyes Game pushed Paladin into a sudden action where none was neccessary - nobody really knew when this ISL 2 was coming, and if it was coming, what the conditions would be and so on.

I personally think that Paladin will be making attempts to repair the situation and to lower the "damage" that has been done. As of late only harsh comments were made, the situation itself can still be repaired. Objectively seen nothing really changed yet, beside the whole flame war that broke lose over at tl.net.
Just give the administration a few days to reflect on what really is going on. Contrary to popular believe Paladin still is new and still has the possibility to listen to reason. For what I know he's probably the most open minded person in the whole conversation as he wasn't flamed/got biased by the past AND has access to the past logs.

It'd be best to temporarly close this discussion and wait for official statements from either Paladin or Sayle/nOoNe - those are directly invovled, we all are not. No need to make what-if discussions based on a low flow of information that only heat up the situation to no end, and might eventually stir up more drama. I'm sure in the end both parties will make the best possible cooperation.

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LML (Division Leader SC)

There was no real official stance towards a possible ISL 2 from ICCup's side (internally) until Game announced that and pulled everything into public. I'm quite certain NOBODY of the staff wanted to tear down such a major event, or to stop it simply because out of personal grudges or to exclude Game who certainly did the basic work for this event. In my eyes Game pushed Paladin into a sudden action where none was neccessary - nobody really knew when this ISL 2 was coming, and if it was coming, what the conditions would be and so on.

This doesn't really make sense.
There were logs posted before where Game informed Paladin about the ISL2, and he said that they don't want any part of the event to happen on iCCup.
So I don't see where this was dragged into public and Paladin was faced with a sudden decision, and why does this "sudden" decision include iCCup having their logos and promo trailers all over it?

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sethgecko

This doesn't really make sense.
There were logs posted before where Game informed Paladin about the ISL2, and he said that they don't want any part of the event to happen on iCCup.

As said, I can't tell you much, but I'm sure that this statement in particular has more to it. Neither of us can't be sure how much information there has been exchanged, but if that was the only statement, I personally, find it odd to air ISL 2 nonetheless, and hope for the admins to not do anything.

So I don't see where this was dragged into public and Paladin was faced with a sudden decision, and why does this "sudden" decision include iCCup having their logos and promo trailers all over it?

Again, I'd wait for a bigger official statement that explains why things happened, and how it will look like in reality. Right now nothing was added to the post and nothing has been shown.
Inbe4
http://www.iccup.com/terms.html

Those rules are old, and I remember that even TSL had a promo video in one of their casts, though I'm not sure if those are in the VODs.
You do realize that you're quite likely talking about one tiny banner in the threads and one 12 second long mini-video?

So, let's all stay neutral until the final wording has been made. It almost looks like both sides want to blame the other one before things are final.

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LML (Division Leader SC)

An official statement has been made on TL.net, an extra thread was created.
Afterwards it was said that the ISL2 will continue on the iCCup server but Game and JoeKim were removed from the staff.

What else can we expect right now?
I am talking about this official statement:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=236666

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Artunit

Ok to be on different topic, notice how the user " gns.i-jasa " always defending / promoting " Game " in this forums. Those 2 are the same I checked the IP and like some months ago gns.i-jasa msged me here in gg.net that he is Game. Ask for the ss if you want.

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ShockeR_40 (Senior GosuBet Manager SC)

#12 interesting
#11 also ineresting (the thread seems to be closed tho ? well, at least I cant post in it)

I really do hope that this is going to end and we are going to see an awesome tournament. We really need to consolidate more when the game is in the state in which it is right now...

SC BW eternal life should be our common goal !

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PsychoBaBas

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=238802&currentpage=2

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ShockeR_40 (Senior GosuBet Manager SC)

#14 You still roaming on the BW forums Babas ? :P

cool !

yeah, thats a big announcement. Shame that he is going to retire, he putted lots of effort to bring back the BW community to life...

of course he was not saint but, noone really is ;P

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