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seanpol
[H] PvT 5 Fact (2685 reads, 3 replies, 1 year ago)
I'm having difficulty fending off 5 factory timing pushes.

I am aware that upon seeing this, a Protoss should not take his 3rd so quickly and focus on getting more gateways to match his production.

I opened up with a fast observer* fearing a 2 factory attack. After seeing he had expanded, I expanded myself. He then suddently added more factories, for a total of 5, and I knew a timing push was incoming. I added several gateways accordingly and did not expand up until I had a good amount. Apparently, terran saw this and did not push out so quickly but instead decided to slow push towards my natural with turret and mine support while upgrading and preparing to expand again.

I tried to bust his slow push attempt, failed, he unsieged and simply steamrolled towards my natural.

Was that my only mistake? I had thought PvT was so much more forgiving than that.

Here's the replay: http://repdepot.net/replay.php?id=41489

Thanks in advance!

* pre-game he had told me his max rank was D, thus I decided to play safe.
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1 year ago
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doomshroom
2factory push is very effective vs protoss,especially nowadayas when everyone is fe´ing.i play P as my main but i went 4-0 TvP with 2fac push tech,some rines there(6-8)and toss is a goner.


i usually go 2gate start vs T,just to be sure.its very effective with fast range and u get decent pressure on T while u can expand and still pump more goons to keep pressure up.ofc reaver+1zeal fast drop is also pretty good vs T in earlygame.the hard part is how to manage keep pressure on terran long enough to get exp+mass production going.after terran gets siegemod it will be hard and you have to back up some,but still u can keep pressure and slow down terran expanding.

as a protoss i have learned the hard way that flanking is must,also storm is very effective and zealbombs(shuttle and drop speedzeals near tanks so that mines blowup tanks+vults too)


but then again i had 3yr break from this game and ofcourse in past 3years this game has evolved.
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1 year ago
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Penguin
Protoss dont 2gate expo anymore since fax fe counters it and even bunk expo does, they mostly 1gate fe or 1gate obs fe or just 12 nex...
Terrans dont 2fax anymore cuz protoss have learned to micro properly with their goons and stuff... Terrans will push out with around 6 rines, 1 tank, 1 vult and sometimes 2 scvs but protoss can just shoot, move back, kill rines and snipe the tank. As for the mines, they can just do the mine trick thingy with the goons...

As for the 5fax, the key is to scout it. Ur 3rd should be running by the time he has his 5fax up. Then u should just increase the number of gateways and start pumping units, stop probe production on ur main and nat and most importantly, avoid getting harrassed on ur 3rd.

There is a build that progamers use alot nowadays vs Terrans. FE into rvr harrass while expanding. Its a hard build to use cuz u will need a REALLY high apm ( 260ish for me ) and good multitask, macro.
The key to this build is that u will wanna harrass Terran to slow down his push as much as possible aswell as getting speedshuttle. These 2 points are a great factor since:
1. Killing SCVs and making him stay defensive slows down his push
2. Shuttles for zealbomb can change the outcome of a battle dramatically

The build goes something like this:
1. 1gate FE (with range and around 3-4 goons u will have around 31/33 population and u will want to wait for 400 mins) and after u build the nexus, build a pylon and make more goons.
2. Make a robotics facility and add a second gateway.
3. Start making a shuttle and add a robotics support bay and once u make a rvr, warp 2 zeals on ur shuttle. Make an observatory, Shuttle Speed upg and add a citadel.
4. While harrassing the terran, expand and add 2 more gateways. Dont forget to keep pumping goons all the time.
5. From here on, do whatever u want :) Add more gates, kill the terran, Make a pylon heart in middle of the map when u win, dont forget!

PS: If uve seen Fantasy vs Stork on the OSL finals... hm... thats one big pain in the ass uve gotta watch out for... U can dodge goliaths and stuff but wraiths... hard time

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Shadow216
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