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pinkcarebear

Zerg needs a rank boost - with rep (2347 reads, 20 replies, 2 years ago)

Hi!

I'll cut right to the chase:

My ZvT : Excellent, my rank is D+, just needs more practice mid-late game
My ZvZ : Excellent, again D+ rank, sometimes beat C.. w00t

APM: lowest 150 - highest 200+ (just since last week, had an APM training)

But:

My ZvP : solid D - apm 120 - 150
http://repdepot.net/replay.php?id=16080

Check my replay vs a D-C rank protoss (Hi Silent) and you'll see what I mean, My Build order seems solid, My population seems ok, but everytime he pushes out I just .. get.. Pwnd. ! aarg!!!11

So I thought heck, I need advice.. first time I ever asked....

What do I do good so far:
- I've learned 3 muta 5 hydra, trying to get speedhydra's at 8:00 mark.
- I can easily stop his first 5 zealots - and make him look like an idiot

What do I do wrong so far:
- Not even being able to stop his push at 10:00
- Those lings should have scouted the expansion, but I thought I needed them to defend

Bring out the argument for my awesomly bad ZvP
It is a Macrothingie, right?

Edit: Just imagine how bad I am when he's saving up for an even larger army. oh and.. I can beat Protoss noobs, but I usually own them with mutamicro before he pushes out.

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2 years ago

DanteStyle

stopped reading after

My ZvT : Excellent, my rank is D+

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2 years ago

pinkcarebear

Stopped reading after "stopped reading"

This thread can go on forever...
Arguments why you stopped reading please?

Edit:
I looked at your profile, you've got a lot of friends I see
"plz go die" etc etc.

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Vis

What he's trying to say is, D+ isn't "excellent" as you said, but he's an idiot.

I'll take a look at the rep when I get home.

Chess.com username: Vis-USEast

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pinkcarebear

I'm very satisfied with D+, too old to become pro anyway

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2 years ago

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entertaining

On a map where your 3rd doesnt have gas i dont reccomend 5 hatch hydra, i never feel i can get enough hydra off 2 gas and minerals pile up. Also cant transition in lurker easily. Your macro also needs work.. alot of work.
Try a ling heavier build on maps like bluestorm.

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Zoler

2009-07-03 22:10, Pinkcarebear wrote:
I'm very satisfied with D+, too old to become pro anyway

All the way up to C+ is just "noobs", then come the average/ good players

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inF.RunA

All the way up to C+ is just "noobs", then come the average/ good players

this is so true

YES we do have a GG!

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pinkcarebear

#5
Finally, an answer
I know my macro needs the most work, but how did you guys (C rank+) practiced this? I'm kinda stuck.
I've been practicing quite some games and my apm and micro has improved a lot, but my macro just a little.

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mouz.MorroW

ehum im not really gonna directly help u with ur problem tho i got an advice, when ur asking for help like this u shouldnt use the word "exelent" maybe go with "alright" or "np" but i didnt find it very annoying compared to others.

if ur happy with d+ thats fine, but i doupt u will be as u improve u always want higher rank. just look at me im saying im gonna try get a+ this season even tho that sounds ridicilous i still want to try at least.

i watched the replay and im shocked that u say ur zvp is bad. u got a decent bo down u r responding acordingly (watched into 8:35 so far) and u havent made any terrible misstake at all.
i think the real issue u have by now are these 750 minerals. when ur playing protoss that can be fine cause u can just spend all that in ur gates so far and maybe improvise something, but when ur zerg at this point of game you have to macro better. u shouldnt be having 750 minerals at this point of game and i think this is why zergs at lower level often loose against the "imbalanced toss a-move with zealot attack"

now im into the part where he attacks u got 1,2k minerals. lets see how many hydras that is

1,2k/75=16

ok 16 hydras

the reason why this toss leg timing attack doesnt work (i think ,im terran user so i could be wrong) is because there are so god damn many hydras so he will have to wait for the high templars.

and from there i think most games are taking alot of diversity and improvising (talking about foreigner zvp)

you practise this micro by playing games that you just did - pure standard macro, nothing special.
hotkey ur hatcheries go 5sh6sh7sh8sh9sh (i maybe tell u wrong hotkeys here i dunno but my point being is with zerg its important that u hotkey ur hatcheries and u have to practise this finger practise on ur keyboard, u dont even have to be ingame to do it)

i think from the game i just saw, u could go C rank in zvp in no-time cause u really got a grab of the medi-game (with the ht snipe, hydra upgrades, bo etc), u just need better macro to put it simply

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mouz.MorroW

2009-07-03 23:56, Zoler wrote:

2009-07-03 22:10, Pinkcarebear wrote:
I'm very satisfied with D+, too old to become pro anyway

All the way up to C+ is just "noobs", then come the average/ good players

its kinda funny u mention this cause nowadays the "noob-bar" is so high compared to before, but its also easier to practise nowadays cause of iccup all proleagues and all calkulated builds that already exists. just look at this guy hes "noob" ranked and he even got a grasp of medi-game

when i was d+ level i didnt know shit how to play a real build order :P

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pN.berg_zerg

2009-07-04 02:12, nrg)morrow wrote:

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its kinda funny u mention this cause nowadays the "noob-bar" is so high compared to before...

when i was d+ level i didnt know shit how to play a real build order :P

Well i cant really agree on that one.
everyone keeps talking how much better the average starcraft noob is compared to "before"

So what exactly do u mean with before ?
In my experience the D Level newb 50% winrate iccup player of 2009 is exactly as bad as the average D level newb was at PGT 2005

In fact nowadays to me many of the D players seem to be even worse
than in 2004, 2005
I was a C- PGT zerg in like 2004/2005 or something on PGT with ~ 45% winrate.
I was a shitload better than i am now ( since i play like 3 games /month)
I did a 4 year broodwar break due to pokerz.
in 2009 i tried some iccup for the first time.

I had terrible micro , terrible macro, all out of shape and no idea about build orders and stuff.
I expected to go like 0-10 or something even at D since everyone talked about how good even newbs are nowadays ( And i was only C- back then when i was active and practiced and had a clue what i was doing)

Well i started out easy 7-0 on D level ...
I was really surprised how bad those Iccup D level regular players were
nobody of these players did have any skillz at all...
They just copied replay BOs and as soon as i did unconventional stuff
( Like 2 hatch fast lurk drop or 2 hatch fast mutas ZvP) they had no idea how to adapt.

I am 100% sure u can go D+ even today without knowing BOs.
U just need some semi decent macro and a bit of game understanding.
thats all i did when i went 7-0
I just build some units and some buildings and pulled of some funny stuff
If u asked me about the BO i did i couldnt even say that i had a plan.
I just build what i felt might work without knowing timings etc

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OminouS

If he is a D+ player and he don't have ambition to get any higher rank I can understand why he calls his ZvT @(!) D+ 'Excellent'

His oppinion seems to be that he think his ZvT and ZvZ is good for his lvl of play, but he lacks skill in ZvP.

So stop being so condescending.

About the game and the mu - my ZvP is even worse than D+ so I have no advice.

"They just copied replay BOs and as soon as i did unconventional stuff
( Like 2 hatch fast lurk drop or 2 hatch fast mutas ZvP) they had no idea how to adapt."

Yeah, that works fine - to a certain lvl, on higher ranks player DO know how to adapt, and the macrobased play will overrun you so easy, so even if you do win a game here and there, in the long run, that kind of play gets you nowhere. Especially at higher ranks when people know who u are and what your style is like, if every1 knows you play loweco, highrisk games they will be expecting it. That is my oppinion at least.

OminouS, I'm in us

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(xero

I will give you one advice for your macro when you in macro mode
the easiest way for hidra production for me is

4s click on hidra image 5s hidra image 6s hidra image and up to 0 if you can reach it

its so dam easy, fast and accurate so you can fight his army and have good macro
EDIT:yea you lost of your macro and your tech was bit late so make gas bit earlier ,dont build sunken that early just make speed for ling after you begin lair and make more lings if you see more zeals , when your den finish it's good to get sunkens vs dt .

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Ramiz

4s click on hidra image 5s hidra image 6s hidra image and up to 0 if you can reach it

You mean 4sh-5sh-6sh...? LOL!!!

"Living for the swarm..."

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pinkcarebear

@ nrg)morrow, OminouS, (xero

Thanks

Well I only play this game about 7 hours a week maximum. I just wanted to keep up with my ZvP compared to the others, just like you thought.

So when I put all the comments together I get this right?:
- Decent BO, need less sunkens early on and earlier gas to make more hydra's
- Keep playing games like I just did
- Could go C rank according to morrow : P

And now my story about D ranks on ICCUP:

I first started playing ICCUP when battle.net started to annoy me, I knew about ICCUP but thought it was some high level tournament for top players only. sooo... I learned a few build-orders, practised a lot of games vs T against a friend and started the downloads.
I was extremely suprised by the non lag and I started spamming like crazy, annoying the crap out of others with zerglings. Loved it.
In the first day I went to 7-2 with ease.

But NowaDays it seems I was lucky with my opponents, many D's now about buildorders and expanding and especially vs Protoss it can be a pain in the erss if he's running on 3 base 200 population and you're a noob.
Just since recenlty I can manage to deal with real D ranks, but I find the level high. If you wanna beat a D, you need solid Build order, good micro and experience on how to break him when he's bunkering himself. Just my opinion.

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pinkcarebear

Well I create my overlords by clicking the image, because it's faster
But I agree, isn't the 'h' key better? :P

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(xero

2009-07-04 10:32, Pinkcarebear wrote:
Well I create my overlords by clicking the image, because it's faster
But I agree, isn't the 'h' key better? :P

try 4sh5sh6sh7sh8sh
and try my method
for 4sh5sh6sh its easy but for 7sh8sh9sh0sh its harder because I dont have super duper long finger and dont like to take up my hand

and its faster for me and I never make mistate like I did in 4sh5sh6sh7sh8sh because sometimes it dont make hidras at all hatches

and for 4sz5sz6sz many times I see that I dont make lings at one hatchery even I perfect 4sz5sz6sz but in sc I see that I select learva but ling not produced maybe my keyboard too slow ? xd or sc is too slow xd

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ig.ahzz

2009-07-04 10:53, (xero wrote:

2009-07-04 10:32, Pinkcarebear wrote:
Well I create my overlords by clicking the image, because it's faster
But I agree, isn't the 'h' key better? :P

or maybe you use two hands instead of one?

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mouz.MorroW

its funny how most ppl have totally different techniques how to do the mechanics. for instance how this guy click on the hydra buttom while other ppl may be using the hotkey and some ppl using the f2-4 on hatchery locations instead of hotkeying the hatcheries etc.

and same comes to all races, it just blunted me in the head when i saw many terrans hotkey scanner 09 with 1 hand while mine are too small so i use both ^^

if i saw correctly when i was watching ret he is just using 1 finger for the entire 5sh6sh7sh clicks but i could be wrong since he did it pretty damn fast!

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2009-07-04 12:07, nrg)morrow wrote:
if i saw correctly when i was watching ret he is just using 1 finger for the entire 5sh6sh7sh clicks but i could be wrong since he did it pretty damn fast!

maybe one hand