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2 months ago

kalle
Ballerpoker explanation (1482 reads, 35 replies)
Ok so when we launched our original banner on gg.net 2-3 people contacted the staff and said they didnt like the original banner because they meant it encouraged people to quit starcraft and start playing poker. This is not the case at all.
Team ballerpoker consists of several starcraft players and our community also includes alot of them. Our impression is that if SC players start playing poker and earn a decent amount on it they dont stop playing SC.
Playing poker for several hours is tough and you need to cool of with a long break and it seems like people do this by playing the games they love, in this case SC. We encourage our members to play their original games by making sidebet matches and having alot of funs updating it in the offtopic thread.
However we understand that our former banner had a bit too strong words in it like "emigrating" from sc to poker and we understand its easy to get such a picture from it and that is why we have a new banner which in our view is more passive.
As I have played the game from 1997 and still play some under NW_Punisher I assure you that we will not just be passive with the banner, we will also run several events with gg.net in the future so stay tuned!

If you have any questions/complaints/suggestions dont hesitate on bringing them up here

Thx all

-Kalle
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2 months ago
#1

ninety

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Yeah I noticed it too. Said something along the lines of "Starcraft players are good poker players". Not exactly the smartest line but glad you changed it!
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2 months ago
#2

kolozaiur

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Adblock thought it wasn't interesting;]
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2 months ago
#3

megamosh

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a good thing you changed it .
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2 months ago
#4

Variation

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I give you credit for at least changing it ;) i've seen some terrible advertising out there and their owners don't really give a f*ck how it makes people feel.
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2 months ago
#5

fs-trancer

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I guess now when making new account at gosugamers.net should be some kind of age agreement that you are over 18 years old.
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2 months ago
#6

kalle

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It is important to mention we are not a pokerroom but a poker community just like gosugamers but for poker instead of starcraft and warcraft/dota. Making "vods" articles and etc to help our players improve at their game.
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2 months ago
#7

xyberkids

   6
Maybe if more starcraft players went on to poker, we'd have more $ circulating for tournaments :D
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2 months ago
#8

kalle

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That is a good point, we are planning on maybe getting up some sidebet tournies. we will see
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2 months ago
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pN.berg_zerg

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2008-09-04 13:38:17, ninety wrote:
Yeah I noticed it too. Said something along the lines of "Starcraft players are good poker players". Not exactly the smartest line but glad you changed it!


It was a smart line

But most of the BW players here probably wont realize.
Its a fact so far that everybody who was good at starcraft became good at poker.
I dont know one single case so far where someone who was half way decent at starcraft ever failed at poker.
I know like 8678280 cases where they make decent money now.

However most of the Poker players quit starcraft and only play like 1-3 games for fun a month ...
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2 months ago
#10

Machine

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2008-09-04 13:59:35, kolozaiur wrote:
Adblock thought it wasn't interesting;]

rofl
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2 months ago
#11

Mandalor

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2008-09-04 21:08:13, pN.berg_zerg wrote:
2008-09-04 13:38:17, ninety wrote:
Yeah I noticed it too. Said something along the lines of "Starcraft players are good poker players". Not exactly the smartest line but glad you changed it!


It was a smart line

But most of the BW players here probably wont realize.
Its a fact so far that everybody who was good at starcraft became good at poker.
I dont know one single case so far where someone who was half way decent at starcraft ever failed at poker.
I know like 8678280 cases where they make decent money now.


That's because people on the internet are not generous ;)
You don't hear about people losing at poker, yet poker does not generate money so there have to be losing players. I guess the starcraft scene generally is rather smart, but the statement every good bw player will automatically be a good poker player IS dumb.
I'm not that much into poker, but what I've heard is that Elky AFTER he won that huge tourney (about 2 Mio $ prize money, correct me if I'm wrong) he was (or is, dunno) still in debt.
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2 months ago
#12

Xeris[LighT]

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holy shit Kalle !!!!!!!!!! glad to see you are still in the gaming business =D!
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2 months ago
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pN.berg_zerg

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2008-09-04 22:53:53, Mandalor wrote:

That's because people on the internet are not generous ;)
You don't hear about people losing at poker, yet poker does not generate money so there have to be losing players. I guess the starcraft scene generally is rather smart, but the statement every good bw player will automatically be a good poker player IS dumb.
I'm not that much into poker, but what I've heard is that Elky AFTER he won that huge tourney (about 2 Mio $ prize money, correct me if I'm wrong) he was (or is, dunno) still in debt.


youre wrong

1.) people post about losing days/month a lot more than winning days ...
Thats cause people love to whine post

2.) I dont say that ure insta good at poker when ure good at starcraft
however i know hundreds of examples where former BW players now make money with poker
However i dont know one single BW player who is a longterm loser at Poker
I myself was a medicore BW player and still i make more money with poker than i can with a normal job...

3.)
"I'm not that much into poker, but what I've heard"

Thats a general problem of most BW players here concerning Poker
U simply cant believe how amazing Poker is moneywise. I have experienced this so often .... U all think this isnt real ... this cant be true
u heared this and that about people going broke ...

The truth is :
ure wrong.
Elky us up a bit over 2.000.000$ overall from Poker
If he has any depts at all , which i doubt this is from a lifestyle he choose. But its not that he loses money from Poker ...


4.) I am not saying Poker > Broodwar in terms of fun.
Broodwar is by faaaaaaaaaar the better game !
However there is no money in Broodwar
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2 months ago
#14

KnekteN

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Anyone wanna explain the reason WHY bw players are so good poker players?
I've heard this before, and (to me) it makes no sense, but it seems interesting that excelling in one game can give you some kind of advantage in a totally different game.
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2 months ago
#15

Tyrion

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it does make sense, but it has nothing to do with starcaft specifically. U just have to spend a lot of time and effort on starcraft to become a good player and its the same with poker, u always have to work on your game to become a winning player. So good Wc3 or chess players would be strong poker players, too.
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2 months ago
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Mandalor

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What I've heard about Elky is what I got from tl.net. I'm too lazy to search for it now, but I'm sure it's correct.
Talking about having a bad day at poker is not what I was talking about. People don't post about their long term losses, they just disappear from the forums or "take a break from poker". Once again, where do you think the money is coming from? I know you can make a lot of money with poker and I believe all the stories of bw players making huge sums of money. But there have got to be players that lose equally as much money as those guys win and I don't think there's some kind of bw gene that makes you win at poker. Personally I've heard about a lot of bw players that are long-term losers at poker.
Poker is a fun game, but there is more to it than just playing. And that is the fact that makes poker differ from bw. You can just sit down and play tons of games at bw and naturally get good at it. To be good at poker you need to read lots of stuff (odds&outs, fold equity and whatnot). Please don't make people think poker is going to make people rich no matter what they do. It's not like bw and you gotta have lots of dedication to squeeze money out of it.
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2 months ago
#17

orbs

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all good
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2 months ago
#18

ToT)Twisted(

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Mandalor no offense but if you don't play poker yourself I don't think you can make a valid point here. Most of the stuff just sounds ridiculous to me and I'm pretty succesful in poker and I was pretty succesful/good in/at starcraft.

Let me make this clear: the money that 'we' as professional players win is from people who mostly play it for fun. They just deposit 1000$, play a few days with it, maybe win some but over the long run lose it, and that's where the money is coming from in online poker. There's players like this on every level and especially at the lower limits. There are tons of weak players on the lower limits which you can win money from as long as you train to be better than them. Considering broodwar is a competitive game, people who excel at broodwar also have the potential to become good poker players.

"To be good at poker you need to read lots of stuff (odds&outs, fold equity and whatnot)."

No. Just like broodwar, you need to play lots and lots of games (hands). In broodwar you get better by playing shitloads of games and analyzing your play and see where you can improve. The same goes for poker. At the beginning of starting up poker you can 'read lots of stuff' sure. You can get a lot of theory out of books but that's only like 1% of what a poker professional needs. 'You need to read lots of stuff' is like saying that you need to read lots of strategy guides for starcraft :|. The best way to learn poker is just like broodwar, play a shitload of hands and analyze your play and in the meanwhile study hands played by better players (replays in broodwar) and use video's of better players to serve as an example (again replays).

The thing is, with all these websites such as ballerpoker.com you can start off with 50$ totally free of charge so it's basically free money which you can play with to start up your own bankroll. Just start at the lowest limits and I guarantee that with the help of instructors such as the guys over at ballerpoker.com you can definitely become a winning player. 50$ will lead you a long way at the lowest limits where the blinds are 0.01$/0.02$.
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2 months ago
#19

ninety

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2008-09-04 21:08:13, pN.berg_zerg wrote:
It was a smart line


You missed the point though. The line was used in a malicious way to attract players to a game that is gambling and can become an addiction.
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2 months ago
#20

Enron

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damn, Kalle, you started ballerpoker? xD Gj!
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