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3 months ago

ReiKo
PvZ 2 gate goon Reaver (751 reads, 23 replies)
Lately, I find this strategy very good against Zerg , as most of Zergs nowdays expect that Protoss FE's but this is totaly opposite, and in fact if Zerg scouts you last, it's big + for you.

Anyway, I done 2 variations of this build :

Starting off with 2 gates ( first replay, from clanwar)
or
Starting off with tech (second replay from iccup).

I find 2 gates slightly better because you are safer from speedlings in beggining and Zerg can think that you will try to hard rush and he will build up sunkens or he will anticipate your rush - that will never come.

Anyway, I did proceeded from 2 gates, goon range asap, and pump 3-4 goons and then robotics and shuttle. After that reaver and still pumping goons with minimal cuting of probes. When reaver pops out, load him into shuttle and go with your full army and attack Zerg.

In every game my timing was good, and Zerg went Mutalisk that favored me because I was goon heavy, and ofcoure if he had gone Lurkers my obs woud be there very quickly because of robotics is already up.

I think this is very good build to confuse Zerg and catch him offguard, but It is very weak vs mass zerglingz (3 hatch speedlings) and any kind of mass hydras.

Please, discuss :

Clanwar replay : http://www.cryteam.sc-gamer.net/modules/Replay/replays/vs%20pN%5DQbyx%5B.rep


Iccup replay : http://www.cryteam.sc-gamer.net/modules/Replay/replays/vs%20SlowPoke.rep
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3 months ago
#1

349191

   4
Oh btw mutas rapes goons. But yeh..
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3 months ago
#2

ReiKo

   5
They rape them if they are massed enough, like every Zerg unit that is strong in mass. If you time your attack correctly then it's diffrent story.
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3 months ago
#3

080485

   11
Well, this is scary strat for zerg who thinks you fe..

just gosu to see good players pull this off <3
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3 months ago
#4

AoS]Tosu

   2
whis relly on the suprise but after all its a good strategy
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3 months ago
#5

Batibot323

   1
I agree with number 4. But, he should have known you would go for tech not a 2 GW Rush as they saw your cybernetics core and would be somewhat late for a zealot rush.

Your game in the clanwar was really decided when you killed his overlord on your nat which should not be the case. Shuttle+Reaver would be pawned by scourges and Corsairs would be more effective fighting scourges instead of dragoons. But, it's a good early tech attack.
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3 months ago
#6

AoS]AnyTime

   6
That strategy isn't that new... Bisu also used it vs Mondragon. http://www.gosugamers.net/starcraft/replays/8573
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3 months ago
#7

ReiKo

   5
Well, I didn't say this strategy is something new and inovative, I just said it's effective and not so used compared to FE. Anyway, as you may compare this build something that Zergs do Protosses on Blue Storm. They don't let us see their tech with lings. They try to block us from seeing. If we kill that first ovie, open up with 2 gates and someway prevent them from scouting, they will be very much in dark after seeing only 2 gates, and then this build starts to get scary.
I think Sun Tzu said : "The suprise attack is deadly as sharpest blade" :)
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3 months ago
#8

Uuub

   4
i notice a lot of people have been doing this strat.
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3 months ago
#9

iMp-memoRable

   5
I must see replays but hydra>>goon and with good micro your reacer is a deadman. If your attack gets stopped your way behind due to the lack of resourses. Anyway it`s good case most zergs will expect speed zeals or aearly pressure or dual gates DT/Sair...
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3 months ago
#10

NrG.Shiney

   6
Its efficient strat, but you'll need so good timing and unit control (so you won't lose your reaver to hydras or so) that its hard to pull off. Have done it some times myself too.
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3 months ago
#11

Lord_of_Chaos

   17
As a zerg, what annoys me most with this strategy is that if I go mass hydras vs it, I need to defend both main and map control. The reaver drop could come at any time, and at the same time he can push with reaver for my natural. I have to divide my forces to cover it all.

I don't see why a 2 gate should be a better opening than normal 1gate tech. Ofc a 1 gate is faster, and since you already decided not to use your 2gate to rush, what do you do with it? You want goons asap, so do you even use both gates for zealots in the beginning (can't watch rep here)?
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3 months ago
#12

ReiKo

   5
I want you to fear Zealot rush. I want to confuse you while you must play blind because I denied your scout. I want to open 2 gates to be sure not to die to some early zergling harrasment....

as you see, there are some reasons why is to open 2 gate into this build, but every build has it cons and pros, so do this one.
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3 months ago
#13

Tavo_Nova

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reiko should get billion stars XD, haha true i do agree with loc played a couple of guys who use something similar like this on garena, quite funny, it was almost good for his side but oh well he made 1 big mistake which cost him the game, btw i'm playing zerg XP
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3 months ago
#14

ReiKo

   5
I'm having trouble understanding you #13
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3 months ago
#15

InDi

   3
I've done this some times with a slight variation, opening with 1 gate into tech, when u start robotics pump +2 gates, then just goons nonstop and shuttle+reaver asap with 1st reaver gogo, it was pretty nice used it in old loki and stuff anyway i preffer fe ;P
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3 months ago
#16

kolozaiur

   4
I like this strat, what is the best about it, is reaction of opponent: he must have felt like wtf ^_^
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3 months ago
#17

Tavo_Nova

   2
16 i agree with you, if he didn't see it coming he would not know what hit him, his face expression would have been priceless
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3 months ago
#18

ReiKo

   5
If he did seen it coming then he woud prepare for it.
I think he just got confused, because he only knows how to play vs FE and failed to adapt.
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3 months ago
#19

kolozaiur

   4
#18 true, that's why watching replays doesn't help, many zergs would have problems against metal terran, cause it's unpopular;]
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3 months ago
#20

ass

   3
hmm this strat is very good but i think u dont do it very well... first of all if u do 2 gate ur timing wont be very good, if u pump 3-4 goons and u put it at ur cliff and zerg see that.... he will know or atleast smell about ur reaver..., even u dont have to make range goon asap (as u said) u can wait for that becuz u wont attack with those goons and that is 150 gas that u can use for the robotick(u will have reaver sooner)
i have done this even with corsairs..... its even better :) but mehhh i dont play anymore so have funn :)
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