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3 months ago

Kakashi
Best opening ZvP ?? Python ? (375 reads, 14 replies)
By this I mean opening that is 100 % save , doesn`t die to any cheap shit and doesn`t put u in a macro disadvantage.

I know everyone has gosu micro and shit, everone sees Jaedong 12 hatch but it dies to proxy gates on any maps like python. Even when u r Jaedong propably (I m not saying it tho cuz he`s an abnormal one )

I d want to ask u about everything ( I mean what if he does 1 canon and not 2, what if he does shit etc etc ) u know about 9olpool , 9 pool and any other good bo ..

Ok so whats the best opening ;o ?

thx ;>
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3 months ago
#1

fym.lpjuunin

   1
3hatch muta!!!

Well to me at least, lol, I die 99% of times against fast mutas...=/ I just can't get PvZ timing right.
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3 months ago
#2

Kakashi

   1
huh.. ok but I mean opening , starting bo ; p
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3 months ago
#3

Lord_of_Chaos

   17
there is no "perfectly safe bo that doesn't put you behind in econ". If there was, everyone would use it.

Perfectly safe: Any 9pool variation.
Best econ: 3hatch before pool. (starting with 12hatch at nat).

Personally I always go 9drone scout when I 12hatch, and place my second overlord over my morphing hatch to catch any cannon rushes. It usually works, however probe harass can really mess up your 12hatch opening.

It makes 12hatch safer, usually I scout him in good time to change BO (to 12pool or 12hatch in main) if he's dubble gating or at least more drones there to start killing probes and morphing sunks asap.
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3 months ago
#4

Kakashi

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9 drone scout hurts argh :| Even for 12 hatch hard to imagine how much 9 drone scout fucks up your eco ;o It makes difference of even 20 seconds later on t.t
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3 months ago
#5

fym.lpjuunin

   1
2008-08-17 14:56:55, Kakashi wrote:
9 drone scout hurts argh :| Even for 12 hatch hard to imagine how much 9 drone scout fucks up your eco ;o It makes difference of even 20 seconds later on t.t


When should Zerg scout if planning to go for 12hatch? Sometimes I play as Zerg to understand them better, but I'm always clueless to when to properly scout...=/
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3 months ago
#6

NaW-Habit

   8
Pretty decent strat on Python ZvP is 12 hatch IN BASE, 11 pool and make 2 more drones. While those drones are on their way put your overlord @ your expansion so you can see any kind of cannon rush. then when those 2 drones are done, send both out, 1 to make third expansion and 1 to scout around. You'll have zergling coming up and if you find him doing a fast-exp without any quick gateway push. Just take it normal and go get another exp.
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3 months ago
#7

bloodyhawk2005

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these ideas are stupid first of all dont send your first overlord to the closest base because then if he sees it he gets to delay your hatch, instead send it to the closest cliff and also you will see his probe scout when your overlord is half way to his base and that can 1. tell where he is and also give youe nough time to hide a drone at your nat so you can later put a hatchery there without being harrassed. as to when to scout if your overlord doesnt get to him right away send your 2nd overlord to the base closest to you not the cliff one and send the cliff one to the base farthest away and after you build your spawning pool the first drone you build after it which is the 11th you scout with this is because that drone timing scout will usually come in time to see 1. if he built a pylon at your nat and 2. if he is sending a zealot to your base if he is you can slow the zealot down with good drone micro and plant 2 sunkens. i use a very late drone scout because it can scout alot more cheese then earlier drone scouts. protoss cant put down a pylon at your nat if it waits until your 11th drone goes to scout because that would take too long and your hatchery would be about to morph. also the drone would see any 2nd probe coming in to plant a pylon because if you see the first probe go away from vision its pretty obvious hes planting a pylon at your nat. so i prefer a late drone scout and it helps me with my economy. also some people might say taht the late drone scout does not help because what if he FE's? you wont have time to build a 3rd expo, thats not true when sending your drone scout if you dont see a zealot coming to your base send your 13th drone out to an expo and it should arrive at the correct timing to build your 3rd expo. Also past this build and timing the best build on Python is to take another natural really early against P FE and then go 3 hatch lurker really fast lurker to protect your far away expo then expo again to the main. and keep droning and going sunk/lurk with 1 spore harrass with lings and make sure that P doesnt get too many expos when hive is up upgrade drop cracklings and get a filer mound start harrassing with drops and dark swarm and nydus both your natural's and then take both island expos then with 6 gas start mass ultralisks and cracklings and defilers and start owning the fuck out of Protoss.
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3 months ago
#8

sayja

   2
i go 9-10 drone scout, im not superPro so few seconds dont make diffrence for me. Btw im sending ovi to closest spot so if i see toss there, i dont need to scout with drone..
Python, in 90% cases = 12 pool, 12 hatch into 4 hatch hydra->muta->lurk (3 hatch hydra quick overlord speed vs no-FE). Its standard, but i like faster mutas and playing diffrent styles.
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3 months ago
#9

Lord_of_Chaos

   17
dont send your first overlord to the closest base because then if he sees it he gets to delay your hatch

You send it to the first base, but you do it so that the ovie will come from behind his min line and see if there is any mining there. that way you will see if he's there before he sees your overlord.

that's all I'm gonna read in your post.. my eyes are bleeding and head aching from no punctuation and no paragraphing. Your american so you have no excuse for bad written language.
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3 months ago
#10

BoxeR_Micro

   2
"Jaedong" build is pretty work on python, cause 90% of toss go FE

-12 hatch, putting the hatchery at the natural
-11 spawning pool
-Build 4-6 zerglings, just to chase the scout out.
-3rd Hatchery, at 2nd expansion
-4th Hatchery in main
-Gas
-Lair
-Hydra Den
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3 months ago
#11

fym.lpjuunin

   1
#7, next time you build a gi-normous text wall like that, we'll knock it down before even reading it.
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3 months ago
#12

Kakashi

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#8 Thats the difference between pro and not so pro . That fu**** scout is just HUGE , I couldn`t believe that I was sometimes behind like 20-30 seconds early on just because of that scout, but I was.

How u gonna win vs +1 being 20 seconds late ? Proper one comes at 6:50 , gg for scouting :(
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3 months ago
#13

agnus_diaboli

   2
some days ago i owned 3 zergs in pvz on python by going 9/10 gate hard zel rush(my favourite bo) and i can say that its not 100% save to go 12hatch + scout against this bo (actually at cross position you wont be fast enough with the scout)
[i started with this bo when i saw a replay of a clanfriend of mine who owned hayprO on iccup this way (map was longi)]
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3 months ago
#14

BoxeR_Micro

   2
#13 LOL I guess U play with C- max rank?=)))
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