2008-08-17 01:55:12, lp_lpjuunin wrote:
My apologies, but I pressed Enter in frustration once I gg'ed out of this game, and couldn't save replay...-.- Ugh...although I lost, my apm/multitasking/bo was like perfect this match...I wanted that rep...

I'll describe it as best as I can, this is PvZ in Python1.2.

I go 1gate tech (8pylon 10gate 12gas 14core 16zlot 16pylon, etc.), rather than forge fe, into sairs/dt.
Zerg goes 12hatch 11pool, then 3rd hatch at main.

I scout out a 12hatch at my 10supply, so with my first 2 zlots (increasing into 5lots later on) I put pressure on Z's nat. I manage to kill off his drones and hatchery in his nat, this was an easy accomplishment because somehow, this guy didn't send his lings to help. I smelled something fishy.

My first sair comes out, and I go to his main to harass ovvies. I see lair+hydra den, and he chases off my sair with hydras. I figure he's going lurk, and I tend to do decent against lurk/ling, so feeling confident, I go dual forge (for +1/+1) then phase into dts. My second sair comes out, and both sairs goes to main to scout again. Next thing I know, I see a spire I didn't see before, that lurk tech was a fake! With the 400-500minerals I saved up for an expansion, I start making a bunch of cannons near my main, my choke, and gateway-connected pylons (yeah I panicked...)

Next thing I know, I see 6mutas popping up from the 2main hatcheries, chasing my 2sairs. I know I can't do jack at the moment, without sairs harassing ovvies, my first dt won't be able to do much damage to Z's main. He chases me down to my choke, where my 3rd sair is waiting. My cannons aren't even done yet, so I do what I can with my 3 sairs. While his mutas attack my sair distraction, I have 2speedlots and 3dt's attack (all I had stationed near his now destroyed nat) Z's main, hoping it'll do something, otherwise it'll be a gg. Next thing I know, they're killed by one sunken near Z's minerals, supported by tons of lings and 3more mutas. He had ovvies stationed everywhere in his main, making my dt force useless.

Back in MY main...
He sends those 3extra mutas over to my base, and by then my 3sairs are dead. He takes out half the cannons that weren't finished easily, and any that were finished, he simply muta micros. After that, he harasses my probes, and my main being my only running base, I salute him with gg (all I had were speedlots, and even if I could pump in goons, they won't do much against mutas), and leave the game.

Is there anything more efficient I could've done in said situation? Was going 1gatetech a mistake? According to what happened, did I panic too much? Any ideas/advice? Good counters to muta/ling? Thank you in advance.

PS. One more question. In PvZ's, when I go 1gatetech into sairs, should I scout at 8pylon, or at 10gate? I scouted at 10gate this match, and didn't find Z 'till last base. I was half-afraid he was going to 4/5/6/9 pool me and catch me off guard when all I had was a gate and one lot. In PvZ's should P scout much quicker than he would at PvP or PvT? If I was forge fe'ing, this wouldn't have been a problem but I 1gatetech'd this match..

2008-08-17 02:30:22, Silverleaves wrote:
Didn't need to quote you know?^^

2008-08-17 05:09:31, Return[SomE] wrote:

Muta harrass is pretty much the counter to 1 gate tech. What you should have done was to make the usual number of cannons(3 potentially 4) and continue make corsair and make some goons aswell(instead of making a shitload of cannons that wont help ya)... 3-4 corsairs and 2-3 goons can easily handle 6-9 mutas, especially with 3-4 well placed cannons in main. You should also try to get your expand safely and as soon as possible.

If you went DT tech you could just aswell have made archons aswell.

my two cents

2008-08-17 10:30:11, kagemaro wrote:
i'm too used to mutalisks coming from zerg that whenever i see a lair i automatically equate this to mutalisks >< i quite agree with #5 dragoons are much more mobile than cannons though the rate of fire is slower [i think] but it wouldn't be too bad to place cannon cover fire.

and yeah, i also panic when i know mutalisks are coming >.<

oh, and i think archons fare well against chunks of mutalisks >:)

2008-08-18 22:27:14, amazerg wrote:
lpjuunin you're a real newbie aren't you ???

edit : by the way I'm SURE that if you didn't show the rep , it's because you disconnected ; I know what kind of guy you are... laughing at me in my threads and asking moderators to ban me... omg

2008-08-18 23:17:08, amazerg wrote:
going corsairs , so you were able to scout everything easy , and you didn't have the slightest idea that he was probably going mutas ? who are you ???

who is the newbie kid please ?

n SC original , 4 sunken colonies would have been unbreakable at this stage ; stimpacked units shouldn't be able to be healed in early game ; only after building factory you would be able to reasearh a new thing in academy that would allow medics to heal stimpacked units , then the game would be balanced.