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5 months ago

Fulcrum_
Is it worth the try? From a Quake player (2092 reads, 61 replies)
First of all hi to everyone. I will introduce myself a bit to put you in the picture:

Im a Quake player, 18 (turning 19 soon). I play Quake 3 (when Im on shape) at very high levels. I have played top players and did pretty decent, but I never attended lans. This is because various factors: First, I was too young to attend any lan at the time (where there was a lot of Q3 1v1 lans, since im a 1v1 only player) and second, when I had the opportunity to finally attend a lan tournament, those tournaments started to dissapear, because of the stupid game industry replacing Q3 (the best 1v1 FPS) for other useless, not ready for competition games. I know Q3 is kind of comming back in the last months with ESWC and stuff, and I would loooove the attend those, but I haven't been in the right place and in the right moment, and again I wouldn't be able to attend any mayor event this year. Now, I would love to see Q3 being used the next years, but I really, sadly, doubt this will happen. The only hope is QuakeLive, but im not really sure about anything regarding Quake, as it always have been so unstable tournament wise, again, because of it being replaced by mainstream useless bullshit games.

Now, the question to you SC gosus: Is it worth for me to give SC a try? (with SC2 in mind). Do you think is possible to go pro? (or gosu, as you prefer)

My SC experience is very limited (any RTS at all). I always admired the SC community, and I think that what happened with SC in Korea is just beyond words to explain. I think the SC community is the best because how passionate it is about the game and they had the luck to have SC always being featured in mayor tournaments. What I need is some stability. I mean, If I know I will always have these mayor tournaments every year, then I would train like a psycho for it, but If Im risking lots of hours put in practice to then see in the news after a year or two: "Your lovely game has been replaced" (which is what happens with Quake) then there is no possibility to develop some kind of stable "progammer career" or whatever you want to call it.

I've always seen the possibility of playing at a high level of SC kind of far, the "SC dream" where you finally get signed by some Korean team. But at the same time you know is not inpossible (I know a spanish guy who got an offer from a Korean team: a travel and a place to live in Korea if he played for the team). Or in my Quake experience, when I started years ago thinking "that guy is impossible to beat", and after years of practice, that guy gets owned. (so I already know what training hard means)

Im just asking if there is a possibility to catch up with the top players if I start playing SC now, with very little RTS background (I've played plenty of SC matches and spected top matches, but I count that as nothing). Again, I know that with SC its practically impossible, but what Im really looking forward is SC2, and I guess there isn't a better preparation but playing SC:BW until SC2's release.

I also would like to know the actual state of the SC community, what important things that have happened arround the years should I know etc, just to put myself in situation.

Thats all, I await your replies.

Thanks in advance.
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4 months ago
#1

LML

 (Forum moderator)   18
haha, become a gosu in SC would take you 2-4years at least, especially since you are pretty new to SC.
In 2-4years there won't be any mayor tournaments for SC anymore I guess, but for SC2, something you want to prepare for. So I think it would be best to start with SC, train damn hard and hope to become a D+ (iCCup ranks -> sc.iccup.com ; you start as D with 1000pts and D+ with with 2000pts) till SC2 comes out, that would prolly be in your possibility but nothing more, means you are still pretty low since ranks go to A+ -> Olymp (no1 has ever been olymp on iccup).
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4 months ago
#2

ishinken

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if you are new to SC, get ready to start LOVING to loose. Or you will not last longer than about 50 total games
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4 months ago
#3

Da_venom

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just find a good partner if you are willing to train for it
then anyone here would help u so long you are willing ;-) and interestted
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4 months ago
#4

jinang

   2
I have played FPS on a decent level also. And I can tell it´s a world of diffirence. I have always been better at FPS while I play Sc for a decade. With starcraft 2 in sight no one can tell what will happen. Will it be as succesful as SC:BW? However I think it will be a good basic to have played BW in order to understand SC2. It would be impossible to get pro before sc2 comes out. So far the best of the best outside korea haven't really compteted with the crazy koreans out there. After going to korea they have all returned. Anyway. If you are dedicated and spend the time on something, all is possible. But dont forget in korea starcraft is a full-time job.

Starcraft is always worth playing, I don't know how good you are and what race you prefer. I couldnt make you pro. But if u like I can spend time with you and get your basics set.

I wish you good luck the community is great :) and yeah we are passionate. Usually it's hard to explain why SC is so damn great. But I think you picked up.

And for advices..

Check for "Pimpest plays". It are complilations of yearly highlights. (korean croud-shouting included)

And just check pro replays.

Oh and quake is great btw ! I played CS much more. But liked quake more :)

Edit: And yeah about the losing, its true, it can get frustrating. B.net has a high standard since the game is so old and the basics are so tight. But U don't sound like someone giving up.
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4 months ago
#5

ReiKo

   5
Yo, I want to be Gosu A+ player, can I do it?:)
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4 months ago
#6

Fulcrum_

   1
lol I understand some of the comical replies, but I don't mind lossing a million times in order to get better. I think some of you understimate Q3 learning curve. Just like SC, try to play me some Q3 1v1 and again, if you don't like to lose for about a year, you will not improve.

Jinang: I would love to practice with someone that played SC for 10 years I sure could learn a lot of things besides getting raped.

I don't intent to play any SC tournament match until at least I see myself playing decent.
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4 months ago
#7

ETBrooD

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Play for fun. If winning is fun for you, practice. Don't expect it to be easy, in SC you can't satisfy yourself with a few frags, you'll probably suffer from the same symptom as every other competitive gamer does, destroying units will be fun but if you lose the game you won't even remember killing a single unit, you'll just have nightmares about getting owned :)

edit: I played Q3 a lot a few years ago, it was great fun but on higher levels it became quite frustrating. The difference is that I could frag people even if my overall score was bad and that kept me playing the game for years. In SC destroying units won't play a big role for you if you keep losing games :)
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4 months ago
#8

Corvi

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play wc3. much easier to learn. training bw will give you a good macro, that you won't need for sc2. wc3 will give you a decent micro, that you most likely need in sc2. it also has a 3d look and is a bit slower - like sc2.

and when you wish to play with good players, in wc3 when it comes to middle skilled vs. a high skilled player, you can have good matches (although in the end you lose). in bw the middle skilled will lose devastating. as already said, it's impossible to become really good in neither bw nor wc3 in ~6 month.
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4 months ago
#9

cryme

   3
if you are intelligent you can learn sc and have fun with it, if you're not - you'll be a noob now and in 5years. find a good practice partner and learn the game slowly :)the more you learn the better it gets and more challenging/fun, it's definetly worth it if you want a challenge
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4 months ago
#10

Eddie_Tyler

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2008-07-03 01:03:58, Corvi wrote:
play wc3. much easier to learn. training bw will give you a good macro, that you won't need for sc2. wc3 will give you a decent micro, that you most likely need in sc2. it also has a 3d look and is a bit slower - like sc2.


No offense man, but you say "you don't need this in sc2 and that's like sc2" like that game was finished already and you have experience with it. Let's just stick with the facts known for 100%.

Back to topic:

I think you're used to clicking fast and pushing buttons fast, with playing Quake so intensively, right? If that's the case, maybe you can have advantage against other beginners, though an rts and an fps is completely different, but maybe you can learn to move around the map and do stuff a bit faster.
Anyway, learning SC takes years and we'll never know if we have years or just a year, or even less, before SC2 comes out. It could be really different from SC, but who knows... it never hurts to have some practice in SC, imo. I remember, whenever we tried out some new rts with my friends, I advanced way faster in that game compared to my friends who don't play SC as much as I do.
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4 months ago
#11

xtruder

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I think most of the people replying to this thread (like #10) don't know what playing Quake is like. You don't press any buttons fast. you don't click your mouse fast. you have to time items (something you never do in SC), and you have to practice precision movement (also something you never do in SC). As someone who plays both SC and Quake competitively, I can tell you that there's very little skills that can be carried over from FPS to RTS, especially because FPS is precision + tactics, while RTS is strategy + tactics. If I were you, I'd try it out and then wait till Quake Live comes out to see if you wanna change genres.
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4 months ago
#12

EffOrt

 (Replay management SC)   9
ITS WORTH THE TRY!! BECOME ONE OF US!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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4 months ago
#13

xyberkids

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People say it takes 4 years to get good, maybe so if you don't know how to game or train properly. But since you are pro quake gamer, you should know what it means to train hard and mass game, and collaborate with teammates and friends. I know player that get B+ in half year playing Starcraft. He probably can only get B- right now because he took half a year off.

Quake III is for FPS, what SC is for RTS. Balanced and a fun learning curve. Plenty levels of skill. Most new RTS just don't compare to SC brilliance, much like Q3.

If you: play 8-10 hours a day, try really hard, aren't afraid to lose a lot, get good at analyzing replays, and play to win; you probably will be able to get into any non-kor team within half year.
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4 months ago
#14

Corvi

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2008-07-03 01:31:07, Eddie_Tyler wrote:
No offense man, but you say "you don't need this in sc2 and that's like sc2" like that game was finished already and you have experience with it. Let's just stick with the facts known for 100%.


thats what i do. or do you honestly think they will remove mbs and auto mining again?
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4 months ago
#15

cryme

   3
#11 then you've never played sc as you obviusly dont know sc requires very precise movement2, there are tons and tons of situations in every game when your mouse has to be just perfect and every move precise or you're dead.

btw - sc isnt just about strategy, etc., it is also about physical capabilities.
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4 months ago
#16

ishinken

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#12
Hehe make it sound like a cult or something!

Oh and don't forget, WE GOT COOKIES FOR THOSE WHO JOIN!
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4 months ago
#17

Eddie_Tyler

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#11: I've played Quake a lot too, though it has been a while. But I guess you're right about the fast clicking vs timing, sorry about that. However we can argue about the percision. You need a good precision in sc too.

#14: I can't possibly see how automining and mbs will result _automatically_ in SC2 requiring minimal macro skills. And that game will change a lot before it comes out.
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4 months ago
#18

TT1

   4
sc2 is coming out this december.. 2months of bw wont make any difference for you in sc2 and its a totally different game
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4 months ago
#19

Silverleaves

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You should definately try sc:bw, you sound very motivated so gogogo it's gonna be hard but when you will start winning it will be very rewarding.

And try to pick one race fast and on it, but you can also try the other races to put yourself in the ennemy skin.
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4 months ago
#20

iG.Soapy

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dont lisen to most of these blind noobs here man -_- (few exceptions of course =P)

if you can play 10+ hours a day, 5-7 days a week, of bw for more then a month, then go for it
once ur decent at bw u can be gosu at any other game out there, in any RTS at least

if u have talent ull be really good or maybe gosu(if u eat/shit infront of ur comp) in at least 3 months, if u dont have talent it will take u like 2-4 years like #1 said and ull become a schinoobler/assem gosu
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