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    Strategic forum \ Build Order Compi.. \ Reply #121
    4 months ago

    calamar

     3
    Where are u guys uploading the BOs?
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    Strategic forum \ Build Order Compi.. \ Reply #122
    3 months ago

    ZergGenesis

     3
    I don't know what your asking # 121
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    Strategic forum \ Build Order Compi.. \ Reply #123
    3 months ago

    Eddie_Tyler

     1
    #121: Check the opening post of this thread. All BOs are there, put into spoilers.
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    Strategic forum \ Build Order Compi.. \ Reply #124
    3 months ago

    calamar

     3
    I thought u were uploading them to a wiki or sth
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    Strategic forum \ Build Order Compi.. \ Reply #125
    3 months ago

    undieinglight

     1
    The first post lists the PvP safe tech as:

    "8 Pylon
    10 Gateway
    12 Pylon
    13 Zealot
    16 Gas
    17 Zealot
    20/21 Cybernetics Core"

    In reply #83 knickknack said it should be this:

    "8pylon
    10gate
    12assim
    13/14core
    --after this it goes off into variations, but I'll put something common--
    15p (15gate is rather uncommon)
    17goon
    20range
    21goon
    24pylon"

    This still has not been updated and it should be.
    This post was edited by its author @ 3 months ago
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    Strategic forum \ Build Order Compi.. \ Reply #126
    3 months ago

    agnus_diaboli

     2
    um afaik usually aggressive pvz 2gate looks like this:

    8 Pylon
    9 Gateway
    10 Gateway
    1 probe only
    1 Zelot ->
    13 Pylon
    2 Zelots (one in each Gate; u get perfekt timing;2. and 3. Zel dropping out simultanously)
    17 Pylon

    And then u can make probes...
    -kick ass bo, works on noob (know it from experience) as well as on pro (draco played 90% of his pvz last iccup season this way) level as far as u have an apm of over 120 ...
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    Strategic forum \ Build Order Compi.. \ Reply #127
    3 months ago

    tellur_m4dC

     3
    PuPPy.Love, can u edit your post?:)

    safe start PvRdm
    8pylon->scout(if u want u can go with 2 probes for faster scouting)
    10gate(here u should be on 1st scouting postion and change to build which u want if u find him)
    12 asim
    13lot(somewhere between 12asim and 13lot u should be on 2nd scouting position and change to build which u want if u find him)
    15,16pylon
    lot, core(and u should be on last position and change to build which u want if u find him)
    but take care of proxys and some cheeses from all sides!
    and ofc, this build can't be so effective on maps without ramps/tight place where u can't hold lots and/or probes and no units can pass it.
    all :o
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    Strategic forum \ Build Order Compi.. \ Reply #128
    3 months ago

    agnus_diaboli

     2
    how about this: pvRdm save build:

    8p -> search
    10gate
    12assim
    14core
    15Zelot
    17p

    this is save imo; on a map for more than 2 ppl u dont have to worry about a fast pool rush unless u get scouted (if so you ll have enouth time to save urself, canceling the core for an earlier zel and some probes bloking the ramp or whatever) and whatever your enemys race turns out to be u can go either corsars or 1gate tech vs z or can build a goon just when ur pylon and core get rdy simultanously vs p/t...
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    Strategic forum \ Build Order Compi.. \ Reply #129
    3 months ago

    tellur_m4dC

     3
    #128:Well, I must try your build because for me, it seems very unsafe vs z 9pool speedling -_-
    zerg just can scout with drone and will have overview o.o
    with my build, you can hold at least 2lots when ling from 9pool are arrving to you so I must definitely try yours :D
    edit:I played like 5 games with my friend-zerg who was always doing 9pool speedling and in 4 cases he raped me. I had luck cause we were cross positions x_x
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    Strategic forum \ Build Order Compi.. \ Reply #130
    3 months ago

    ZergGenesis

     3
    Yes, #128 your build will fall apart to a standard 9 pool with gas for speed. It's not safe verse Zerg at all.

    Also, I'm sorry for not updating the Protoss Section, I had this on another forum and I had updated it there, and not here I guess. I could have swore I updated it, so must have been the other place. I'll get to that quick.

    I've been doing a lot in my life, so I haven't been on the site everyday, and I didn't notice for a while that this thread was being posted in. Sorry, and I'll start going over the posts that I missed.
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    Strategic forum \ Build Order Compi.. \ Reply #131
    3 months ago

    tellur_m4dC

     3
    btw, someone add TvT builds
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    Strategic forum \ Build Order Compi.. \ Reply #132
    3 months ago

    agnus_diaboli

     2
    ok dont add it, but u didnt convince me however^^ i can defend myself with this bo aginst a 9pool rush, and #129 doesnt prove that its not possible (dont wana attack ya, actually u never mentioned its impossible =) )^^ with ur bo u have 2 zels, u wont have 2 with my bo but u block ramp with one and probes, the secound dropping out in time (before probes getting killed). With the early scout u may see early what zerg will do if you are not at cross position and ofc u can cancel probes or buildings for better defence.
    zerg may have the overview but he wont come in anyway (unless he menages to move the holded zel on the ramp wit the drone >.<)
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    Strategic forum \ Build Order Compi.. \ Reply #133
    2 months ago

    sopp_i_am

     2
    would perhaps be an useful addition to have pro replays for each build.
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    Strategic forum \ Build Order Compi.. \ Reply #134
    2 months ago

    Zelos

     1
    Some more Z's builds?, in ZvT only hav one, plz someone can give more?
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    Strategic forum \ Build Order Compi.. \ Reply #135
    2 months ago

    Optix
    bo doesnt tell anything unles su jus started sc n need some help starting,
    all u need is to keep playing and losing and learning, when you played enough you will realize you dont have to make cheap rush to win the game because pros can counter it and also for pvp, it is very hard to see what protoss is doing after ur probes dead, your force to go robotics but then enemy can mass zlot rush or dt rush. sometimes you have to face it
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    Strategic forum \ Build Order Compi.. \ Reply #136
    2 months ago

    Opacic

     1

    2008-07-18 05:20:23, Optix wrote:
    bo doesnt tell anything unles su jus started sc n need some help starting,
    all u need is to keep playing and losing and learning, when you played enough you will realize you dont have to make cheap rush to win the game because pros can counter it and also for pvp, it is very hard to see what protoss is doing after ur probes dead, your force to go robotics but then enemy can mass zlot rush or dt rush. sometimes you have to face it

    I've gotta agree here, even the greatest and most efficient build order in the game won't help you if you don't learn to adapt to how your opponent plays.

    Strict adherence may help initially but eventually you're going to have to alter your play style as the match goes on, plus it just makes the game just that much more fun.

    Stating the obvious of course.

    Oh and HAY GAIS I'M NEW HERE :{O
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    Strategic forum \ Build Order Compi.. \ Reply #137
    1 month ago

    sickmosh

     1
    Thanks for posting all of the bo's, its appreciated.
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    Strategic forum \ Build Order Compi.. \ Reply #138
    1 month ago

    Kakashi

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    Strategic forum \ Build Order Compi.. \ Reply #139
    1 month ago

    barnbum

     3
    Jeez if we don't get a coupla TvT builds soon I'm gonna lift a couple from progames.....
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    Strategic forum \ Build Order Compi.. \ Reply #140
    1 week ago

    Lim.Yo.Hwan

     1
    can you extend the tvz one rax expo to this? artosis from teamliquid had a great post on the perfect tvz bo and mechanics in general:

    "Here is how you play TvZ against 3 hatch muta (most common ZvT build):

    9 Depot
    11 Barracks
    14 Depot
    begin marine production (stop at 6 marines)
    19 Command Center
    23 Depot
    25 Refinery
    28 Academy (stim + bat then med when done)
    32 Barracks
    35 Engineering Bay (+1 attack research when done)
    36 Barracks
    From here it gets more loose. Get range immediately when stim is done. Get comstats before your factory. Get your factory before 60 supply. Build turrets immediately upon your factory starting. Go straight to vessel and get 3 tanks on the way."

    -artosis teamliquid.net
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