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1 year ago

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[p v z] fastexp build order (412 reads, 3 replies)
the best build order vs 12 pool: 8 pylon, 12 nexus->forge->2cannons, 13 gate etc... right?
and what`s the best build order vs 9 pool and 12 hatch?

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1 year ago
#1

Soulforged

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12nexus?
It's 14...if you scout early with a probe, and 13 if you didn't(hint: you MUST scout).

Usually, time of nexus depends on map distance between locations.
On something like Luna you can go forge-nexus-cannons against 12 pool.
Against 9overlord-pool(before drones), you need 1 cannon before nexus and bring some probes to it by the time lings come. Ofc, after nexus next 150 mins go to 2nd cannon. (with over-pool lings come earlier than with 12, but if he wants to take exp before making lings, he'll have to make only 2 lings at a time, with small waiting periods, and this makes 2nd cannon able to finish by the time he'll have 8 lings. Before that, if he tries to run past cannons, it's probe block time).
Against 9pool\6pool, it's 2 cannons before nexus.
Against 12 hatch, if you scouted it from the first try, you can cancel like 10% ready forge and go for nexus before forge instead.
If you scouted it from the second try, it's either cancelling 90% ready forge, either making nex after forge.
Finally, if you scouted it from the third try, you cancel a cannon that's being warped at that moment.

And no, you obviously don't go 13 gate; you don't cut probes until 17/17.
After you have forge, nexus and 2 canonns, whatever their order would be, you usually are at 17/17 point. There you start pylon, and while it warps, you start gateway(in a position helping to block your choke with cannons), and also gas.
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1 year ago
#2

iLLusioN.ReW

   9
12 nexus is meant to take a 9overpool rush, 14 won't do that.

#1 The earlier nexus makes up for the probes never made and the quicker gateway allows you to tech quicker.
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1 year ago
#3

Mantis

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Don't forget your cannon placement is important, I recall times doing this build and seeing the lings rush right past my cannons and going straight to my mineral line, destroying my probes. Sometimes an extra probe or 2 is good to have in between cannons/pylons or on the ramp to help the choke.
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