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1 year ago
#21

n3m0

   3
2007-10-01 10:40:44, TheTrueL wrote:
Well, other then lucking out with Terran being an idiot and not getting a Comsat burrow your Lurkers on different sides of the Bunker forcing him to waste 100-150 energy. Plus remember you get another 2-3 Lurkers once your morph is done, so if you lose one, you have at least 3 and Terran wasted all their energy. Which means if they don't have nicely placed Turrets a bunch of Lings and those 5 Lurkers should take em out, or do a nice bit of damage.

Also as #7 said, you could always just use it as a nice way to run your army through without any of your units taking damage. Thnx for adding on to my strats effectiveness and also for the compliment. ^^


lol comsat has way more range than lurk, if u do that "split-lurk-trick" u just have to scan ur own bunker in order to reveal them all.

btw, what makes u think u have a lot of lings, 2 lurk + 3 lurk eggs and terran has a... hm ? 1 bunker with no detection? ahha games would be really ez if it worked that way.

sorry for spam btw.
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1 year ago
#22

Lord_of_Chaos

   17
to everyone talking about comsats and whatever... mid/late game you do a lot of skirmishing against smaller expos. Terran might not have time, or enough energy, to use scan all the time.. or might not even notice.
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1 year ago
#23

iLLusioN.ReW

   9
gah, I need to update the topic before posting -.-
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1 year ago
#24

Qbyx

   3
ok i tested ... the bunker has AI ... if hydra morphs & any atacking unit gets close the the bunker will stop shoting the eeg ... :((
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1 year ago
#25

j-zerg.g

   1
2007-10-01 18:46:54, Qbyx wrote:
ok i tested ... the bunker has AI ... if hydra morphs & any atacking unit gets close the the bunker will stop shoting the eeg ... :((


what if you run the hydra in fairly close before morphing them and then burrow the lurkers farther out than the hydra but still in range to hit the bunk?
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1 year ago
#26

iLLusioN.ReW

   9
Of course it don't work if you actually attack the bunker with another unit. The idéa (at least the one that might work) was to run the lurk past the bunk and burrow it in a min line or similar. I really hope attacking the bunk wasn't what he tested.
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1 year ago
#27

eva01

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no use, this strategy is to expensive, u need supply and extra gas (zerg has a very limitated and calculated economy in early game, u cant waste min, gas or supply if u wanna get tech and more units), also the eggs are complety ignored by the terran firepower, they will continue 2 fire ur zerglinks or other hydras.

them u will have no zerglinks, and a lot of eggs and no hydra atacking the Bunker.

The lurkers or hydras (if u cancel) cant do anything by them self, they need zerglinks to distract.

Its better always to drow them back when the hydras get hurt or stuff like that.
Good idea, but idont think it could work out.

But the eggs has another aplications, like block ramp, block firebats with in a hydra micro on mineral line or addons.. etc etc..

try blocking ;D
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1 year ago
#28

ZergGenesis

   3
It does work, I've done it before in games. Though the fact is that this is Starcraft that we are talking about, and everything you do depend on what your faced with. So even if the thoughts brought up turn out to be useless in many games, at least some consolation would be that the threads made people start thinking about more creative ways to use the Lurker Eggs.

Like in a match I had not to long ago, Terran had a passage blocked off with Tanks, Turrets, Science Vessels, Valkyries, Bunkers and Goliaths. I used the ledge up top to my advantage using two Hydra morphing into Eggs, and took the time it took the tanks to refire to pull of a Plague without losing my Defiler or my Hydralisks.
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1 year ago
#29

ZergGenesis

   3
Btw, n3m0 learn to read honestly... Like god, I know you can read what's posted but you honestly can't manage to put it together in your mind. I believe I said...

It's more so a counter against when a Terran player catches an early expo and builds a Bunker to take it out. It allows you to take out the Bunker without casualties and gain back the expo using something chances are you would be doing anyways.


Which is say that it's a lone bunker guarding an expo chances are is at your natural. Of course they will have scan, use your head and do something creative like send them one at a time then... and before you go saying, but you waste money still going to Lurkers...

I don't mean an immediate counter. I mean it's a counter that you can use if your not going Mutalisks or anything else because that pretty much means your going Lurkers, which then you use the Lurkers once you have them to take out the bunker, vs sending and losing Lings and Hydras.


Which also states that this is not early game due to it NOT being an immediate counter.

As for

btw, what makes u think u have a lot of lings, 2 lurk + 3 lurk eggs and terran has a... hm ? 1 bunker with no detection? ahha games would be really ez if it worked that way.


Lings are cheep, and obviously Terran would have base defense, but Terran's base isn't a Bunker outside at your natural. Do us all a favor and learn not only how to read English, but how to comprehend it, k, thanks, bye...
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1 year ago
#30

exigent

   2
Ok, im semi confused about this whole thing.

So what you are saying is, if a terran 8rax bunker rushes you? you are gonna sit there, lose the hatchery, and wait for some sort of 2hatch lurker build to counter the bunker?. Because quite frankly, once you lose that expansion hatch, its pretty close to GG for you.


OR are you saying, that when a terran opens up with 1rax expand, and makes a bunker at his own choke?. Either way, what you are implying is simply an overabundance to work/effort to do something that you could do MUCH easier.

Im a terran, player and I hover around c+/b- on iccup. Quite frankly, if you tried to do this to me, it wouldnt leave much of a dent. If I 8rax bunker rushed you, then just try and take the bunker out with ling/drone, because if it kills your expansion hatch, there is a 90% chance you lose the game. (unless your julyzeg). If I 1rax expand, and you 2 hatch lurker rush me, im gonna know right from the get-go. Just to let you know, any decent terran will have dual comsats, super early in the game (before lurker come). So, scanning lurker, and seeing a 2hatch build, I would simply drop 2 bunkers ASAP, and quickly upgrade range from my academy. While range is upgrading, I would have my initial control group of medic/marine/fb stationed outside your nat, waiting for your lurker. With the ability to delay lurker, by the time you force your way to my natural, I would 100% have 2 bunkers up with marines/fb inside and range upgrade completed.


So what im saying is, what exactly are you talking about? What kind of bunker rush are you speaking of? Because quite frankly if its an 8rax rush, you are gonna lose your hatchery, and wait some time for them lurkers.
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1 year ago
#31

Qbyx

   3
#25 i tryed this to ... if the eeg is closer then the lurk then the bunker will still shot the lurks(ofc if he has detection ...)

but the lurk range > (a bit) then bunker so if the terran has no range upgrade then u can destroy the bunker whitout any problem ... but the threadmaker's trick didn't workt ... :((

#28 yes that can work but the defiler isn't an atacking unit ... so eeg>defiler in comp's AI
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1 year ago
#32

n3m0

   3
2007-10-01 19:50:51, j-zerg.g wrote:
2007-10-01 18:46:54, Qbyx wrote:
ok i tested ... the bunker has AI ... if hydra morphs & any atacking unit gets close the the bunker will stop shoting the eeg ... :((


what if you run the hydra in fairly close before morphing them and then burrow the lurkers farther out than the hydra but still in range to hit the bunk?


what if hydras could fly and had +10 armor? that would definetly be an advantage - -" lets be realistic pls
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1 year ago
#33

n3m0

   3
#29 - thetruel said:

"It's more so a counter against when a Terran player catches an early expo and builds a Bunker to take it out. It allows you to take out the Bunker without casualties and gain back the expo using something chances are you would be doing anyways."

i can read exactly what u have written, still u don't make sense. i'll explain it to you with details:

"Terran player catches an early expo and builds a Bunker to take it out."

if he builds a bunker in order to take it out, and not in order to contain you in your nat, it means it is an early bunker rush, therefore it is impossible to counter a bunker rush with lurkers, cuz u don't have them.

thank you, gg no re

p.s.: Learn how to express urself in your own language.
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1 year ago
#34

Lord_of_Chaos

   17
Seriously.. what he was discussing was a general idea: If this can be done, or not. Trying to apply this to certain situations is just theory crafting anyway, you do it when you can. And since you can't, you won't.
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1 year ago
#35

iG.Valio

   8
#29 said:
Lings are cheep, and obviously Terran would have base defense, but Terran's base isn't a Bunker outside at your natural. Do us all a favor and learn not only how to read English, but how to comprehend it, k, thanks, bye...


I say:
The terran would be stupid if he didn't strenghten his contain in zerg's natural and go for fast scan to see spire tech. He doesn't need base defense at all before his contain is breaken or he scans spire / hidden exp.
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1 year ago
#36

YueY

   2
First off let me start out by saying you're all morons.

Second off let me say more than 100 percent ;) of you cannot even type correctly and apparently really suck ass in English class.

Okay, this would never work because I guess somehow the terran magically doesn't have a contain in front of your expo or something to delay lurkers, even if he didn't all his marines would be at his expo and playing a GOOD player you would never win with just lurkers and zerglings unless he was being cocky or something relevant to that.

Also, why the fuck would you hatch eggs in front of a terran bunker to "take hits" quite honestly I would want five lurkers with 24ish zerglings to help their ass and not being a moron thinking "If I hatch two or one lurker eggs in front of a terran bunker (WITH THEM HAVING APPARENTLY NO OTHER MARINES THAN THE 4 THEY HAVE IN THEIR BUNKER MYSTERIOUSLY ALL HIS OTHER MARINES ARE GONE OR HE HAS 10 MILLION MINERALS I DON'T KNOW ROFL) I can totally own this man!" Isn't that what zerglings are for idiots...to take hits?

And fucking 3 lurkers cant kill a bunker with 4 marines inside of it anyway damn it.

Lock topic I am right you're all wrong.
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1 year ago
#37

n3m0

   3
2007-10-02 20:58:50, nec.valio wrote:
#29 said:
Lings are cheep, and obviously Terran would have base defense, but Terran's base isn't a Bunker outside at your natural. Do us all a favor and learn not only how to read English, but how to comprehend it, k, thanks, bye...


I say:
The terran would be stupid if he didn't strenghten his contain in zerg's natural and go for fast scan to see spire tech. He doesn't need base defense at all before his contain is breaken or he scans spire / hidden exp.


thank you very much, he still doesn't realize he is a moron, read his last thread about "carrying hydras inside overlords in order for them not to be killed by 2 rines or sair or w/e"

this canadian chobo is hillarious. x' D
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1 year ago
#38

n3m0

   3
2007-10-03 00:40:11, YueY wrote:
First off let me start out by saying you're all morons.

Second off let me say more than 100 percent ;) of you cannot even type correctly and apparently really suck ass in English class.

Okay, this would never work because I guess somehow the terran magically doesn't have a contain in front of your expo or something to delay lurkers, even if he didn't all his marines would be at his expo and playing a GOOD player you would never win with just lurkers and zerglings unless he was being cocky or something relevant to that.

Also, why the fuck would you hatch eggs in front of a terran bunker to "take hits" quite honestly I would want five lurkers with 24ish zerglings to help their ass and not being a moron thinking "If I hatch two or one lurker eggs in front of a terran bunker (WITH THEM HAVING APPARENTLY NO OTHER MARINES THAN THE 4 THEY HAVE IN THEIR BUNKER MYSTERIOUSLY ALL HIS OTHER MARINES ARE GONE OR HE HAS 10 MILLION MINERALS I DON'T KNOW ROFL) I can totally own this man!" Isn't that what zerglings are for idiots...to take hits?

And fucking 3 lurkers cant kill a bunker with 4 marines inside of it anyway damn it.

Lock topic I am right you're all wrong.


you sure are right, honestly. But make sure to read all posts before posting smth like "i'm right you're all wrong" : P
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1 year ago
#39

Lord_of_Chaos

   17
This has emptied its bucket of discussion value...

*locked*
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