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1 year ago

ZergGenesis
Bunkers, a possible advantage for Z (1251 reads, 39 replies)
From what I gathered in my games, and from what I've experienced myself is that units within a bunker can't be told what to attack as long as they're inside the bunker.

This can be used to as an advantage for Zerg players. I'm not saying to do this against a Terran's main line of defense that has Tanks and Science Vessels to back it up, because chances are it'll just be a waste unless Swarm is used with it.

The idea is this though, because they can't be told what to attack, send in 2-3 Hydra to attack the bunker, and as soon as you see them being hit my the Marines inside, begin morphing them into Lurkers. This draws all fire power of the bunker against the Lurker Eggs which have an extremely high defense as well as the fact that the damage is healed once the morph is complete or canceled. With the Lurker Eggs drawing the fire you can send in 2-3 Lurkers to run into range without fear of being attacked burrow them and take out the bunker and Marines before your Eggs hatch.

This can be used against Bunkers back by Tanks though if they have Comsat or Turrets, it's useless. It's more so a counter against when a Terran player catches an early expo and builds a Bunker to take it out. It allows you to take out the Bunker without casualties and gain back the expo using something chances are you would be doing anyways.
 

1 year ago
#1

AoN.OminouS

   5
Nice idea, but:

"It's more so a counter against when a Terran player catches an early expo and builds a Bunker to take it out."

What player got lurkers in early game stage?
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1 year ago
#2

ZergGenesis

   3
I don't mean an immediate counter. I mean it's a counter that you can use if your not going Mutalisks or anything else because that pretty much means your going Lurkers, which then you use the Lurkers once you have them to take out the bunker, vs sending and losing Lings and Hydras.

You'd of course expo at a different location and then take back the expo you lost to the Bunker. With your Lurkers once you have them. Though if you wanted that expo at that point in the game no matter what, this strat won't help, no.

It's a counter if you choose to leave the expo and go somewhere else, so yeah it's an early mid game counter. Sorry for not making that part clear.
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1 year ago
#3

Gaaruuga

   1
I might be wrong on this one, but doesnt bunkers have the ai to fire at attacking units only (if there are any attacking units to fire at ofc)?
it's been a while since I played bw but, isnt that what happens? for example
if you are to attempt this theory and run in with 2-3 hydra and morph them and the bunker fires at them, but if you then run in with lets say a group of zerglings to kill off the bunker the ai in the game will make the marines in the bunker to fire at the zerglings instead of these "lurker egg tanks". as I said I might be wrong so ignore this comment if that be the case :P
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1 year ago
#4

ZergGenesis

   3
No, chances are you are correct. It would make a lot of sense. Though that's why it's good really only against Bunkers with no detectors to back it, and you use Lurkers to brake it.
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1 year ago
#5

intromusicterran

   6
Ok let's test.
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1 year ago
#6

PdK.Scary

   5
i think that the marines in the bunker will fire the zerglings when they start to attack the bunker.

i believe its a very good idea ! XD
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1 year ago
#7

iG.Valio

   8
yeah nice idea. maybe instead of burrowing next to the bunker just walk thru with lurkers if possible
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1 year ago
#8

iG.Valio

   8
by the way.. this is the best idea in many months in ggnet.
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1 year ago
#9

XB3

   6
how can u have lurkers before terran have comsat?
than u must fast tech without exp, and terran definetly will be ready for that, when he scout u and see no expo!
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1 year ago
#10

ZergGenesis

   3
Well, other then lucking out with Terran being an idiot and not getting a Comsat burrow your Lurkers on different sides of the Bunker forcing him to waste 100-150 energy. Plus remember you get another 2-3 Lurkers once your morph is done, so if you lose one, you have at least 3 and Terran wasted all their energy. Which means if they don't have nicely placed Turrets a bunch of Lings and those 5 Lurkers should take em out, or do a nice bit of damage.

Also as #7 said, you could always just use it as a nice way to run your army through without any of your units taking damage. Thnx for adding on to my strats effectiveness and also for the compliment. ^^
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1 year ago
#11

Qbyx

   3
OMG :) verry good ideea ... lurk rush :) thx ;)
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1 year ago
#12

Qbyx

   3
& i think the bunker wont atack the ling cuz i suck the bunker rush whit drone lose even if lings or sunk is atacking the bunker ...
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1 year ago
#13

BOSS)Vulture

   2
tested , not working
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1 year ago
#14

ZergGenesis

   3
So the attack stays on the Eggs?
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1 year ago
#15

mcarthur

   1
Seems like a bit of a waste of 200 - 300 gas to take fire from 4 - 8 rines. Gas just *might* be better spent getting 1/1 lings and working on faster hive tech.
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1 year ago
#16

ZergGenesis

   3
Umm, #15

I mean it's a counter that you can use if your not going Mutalisks or anything else because that pretty much means your going Lurkers, which then you use the Lurkers once you have them to take out the bunker, vs sending and losing Lings and Hydras.


Yeah... it's a waste if you do it just for the sake of doing it when it doesn't comply with your original strat.
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1 year ago
#17

kawoq

   3
I think is a great idea, it have to be tested...

maybe you can morph only one and pass the defefense line with the rest (I mean the initial 3 lurkers you made, only make 2 and save that hydra to make it a little bit faster this move)...
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1 year ago
#18

iLLusioN.ReW

   9
It already has, and it didnt work. Read #13
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1 year ago
#19

n3m0

   3
2007-10-01 04:40:47, TheTrueL wrote:
No, chances are you are correct. It would make a lot of sense. Though that's why it's good really only against Bunkers with no detectors to back it, and you use Lurkers to brake it.


who tha hell makes bunker and doesn't have detector ( like scan )? and i don't mean early game bunker rush.
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1 year ago
#20

n3m0

   3
2007-10-01 10:31:03, XB3 wrote:
how can u have lurkers before terran have comsat?
than u must fast tech without exp, and terran definetly will be ready for that, when he scout u and see no expo!


100% right
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