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1 year ago

DF)Vincent(
info about carriers (698 reads, 13 replies)
hi all people

i have a question for u all

i always sux in pvt when i make carriers, maybe cuz i dont upgrade them? and i dont upgrade them cuz i really dont believe in their upgrade power

so my question is simply

would carriers 3-3-3 beats 3-3 liath? (in about same psi amount)
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1 year ago
#1

SCTV

   4
hmm duno, most P's or me (T) is dead before they reach 3-3-3, good question^^
*running joke Italian hey?
(non potremmo vincere anche se la nostra vita dipende da esso!
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1 year ago
#2

a.k.a.

   2
upgrades for carriers are crucial agains goliaths since in almost 60% of ur games by the time u build carriers terran will be 2/2 in upgs so his goliaths WILL do quite a good dmg vs ur carriers if they are not upgraded.
So.. believe in carriers upgs the same way u believe in ur ground force upgs =)

Or do a decent maths. Like.. Carrier - 8 interceptors x 6 dmg each = 48 dmg
then add the upgrade ammounts and try to calculate how much dmg the will do to a goliath. Goliath has a 1 armor, add that 2/2 upgs = 3 armor and
48 (carrier without upg) - 3 = 45dmg from one carrier to a single goliath.

Do the same for ur armor and shield upgrade and u will see the difference.
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1 year ago
#3

Lord_of_Chaos

   17
It completely depends on execution and map style who would win.

Upgrades for carriers? YES! Goliaths are similar to zealots in that they attack twice, meaning every armor pt is worth 2 vs them. So armor on carriers are great vs goliaths.

Also, attack upgrade owns. Interceptors do, what? 6 dmg unpupgraded? Compare to 9 damage. Thats 50% increase in efficiency. Now assuming that your opponent has 3 armor upgraded, then they deal only 3 damage. Compare that now if you have 3 attack, 6 dmg! THAT'S FREAKING 100% INCREASE IN EFFICIENCY! To understand the hugeness of this.. If you got 12 unupgraded carriers, they will kill stuff just as fast as ONLY 6 FULLY UPGRADED CARRIERS.

So yes, get upgrades, especially attack.
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1 year ago
#4

BoxeR_Micro

   2
# 2 LOL.
Interceptor have 6 dmg on 0 armor. on 3 armor he did only 3 damage. 3*8=24. Not 45.

# 3 Wrong. Fully apgrad Gal have 4 armor. Fully upgrade interceptor do 4 damage. Not upgraded 2 damage
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1 year ago
#5

Eldariel

   4
Goliath has base armor of 1. Add to that possible 3 upgrades, an interceptor will deal 2 damage per shot so 8 inters will deal whole 16 damage unupgraded. Not too shabby, but he's shooting you for 32 damage to shields or 24 (4 armor, applied once for each missile meaning it'll absorb 8 points of damage) for the hull with every goliath he's got. Compare that to the one-upgrade Inters dealing 24 to a goliath every pass or 3-upgrade Inters dealing 40 damage. 3-upgrade Inters aren't worth it unless you're going exclusively carriers, but one or two upgrades allows you to cliff-focus goliaths down much more easily while taking minimal damage yourself.

Also, remember that Goliath attacks with two rockets so each armor point you've got is essentially applied twice. That makes air armor quite decent a defense as 3 Air Armor-ups leads to 7 armor which makes a single attack deal mere 18 damage even if fully upgraded. Shields are a worse case as they're expensive and less effective, but if you can afford it, 26 is much less than 32.


As with all units though, it depends on how and how much you're planning to use them. Few harrassing carriers means upgrades probably aren't worth it. Same with the hit'n'run mass. But if you plan on actually defeating Goli-armies with carriers, you'll need all the upgrades and micro you can get as by base stats, goliaths are mammoth favourites. I usually get one-two attack upgrades and just focus on using Carriers for harrass while using templar, zealots and goons as the primary tool to dismantle his Goliaths.
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1 year ago
#6

a.k.a.

   2
stupid post nvm
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1 year ago
#7

minus_human

   2
2007-08-26 11:15:08, sse wrote:
#4 i was kinda speaking for the carrier... not for the interceptors
:dumbass:


you're an idiot

#4 is right

THINK for fuck's sake
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1 year ago
#8

a.k.a.

   2
#7 and u r a fucking bm..
I made a mistace so what? that doesnt make me an idiot
what ever i will make some calculations now..
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1 year ago
#9

a.k.a.

   2
now when the calculations INGAME are made u can suck it!
goliath 1 armor stock ; 20 dmg vs air stock
carrier 4 armor stock ; 6x8=48 dmg stock

goliath +1 armor = 2 armor = -2 dmg for every atack
carrier +1 weapon = +1 dmg for every interceptor = +8 atack.

goliath +0 armor (stock armor) vs carrier (stock weapon):
carrier does 6x8=48 dmg BUT since goliath has 1 armor u have 48-8=40 dmg

goliath (stock armor) vs carrier +1 weapon:
carrier does 7x8=56 but since goliath has 1 stock armor u have 56-8=48 dmg

goliath stock armor vs carrier +3 weapon:
9x8=72; 72 - 8 = 64 which means that goliath with no armor stand almost no chance at all vs carrier +3

goliath +1 armor vs carrier +1 weapon:
7x8=56 ; 7-2 = 5 ; carrier does 40 dmg every time the 8 interceptors strike
goliath +2 armor vs carrier +2 weapon:
8x8=64 ; 8-3 = 5 carrier does 40 dmg every time the 8 interceptors strike
goliath +3 armor vs carrier +2 weapon
9x8=72 ; 9-4 =5 -> carrier does 40 dmg blabla..

Now calculate what will happen when u add the carrier armor + shiled and goliath weapon (which btw adds +4 dmg)

im too lazy..

IN UR FACE!
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1 year ago
#10

The.Arbiter

   2
#1 Honestly, how u can suck in pvt with carriers!?!?!?
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1 year ago
#11

AK_Zerg

   1
its same thing as when zealot fight with ling. You make +1 attack upgrade to kill ling in two strikes. At start you need 3: 16-16 <35 [hp zergling] and then 18-18 >35. And zerg have to make +1 armor upgrade to counter this. Wtf? 17-17 >35 ??? Its only because zealot doesnt have single 16 (18) strike but two 8(9) and armor penalty refers to both attacks 17-17 <35!!! Same thing with firebat, corsair, carrier, valkirie. These units strike using multiple weak attacks and thats why they suck against well armoured units [zB. corsair vs devourers]. Carrier 6-6-6-6-6-6-6-6 strikes with 5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5 against goliath with 1 armor.
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1 year ago
#12

AoN.OminouS

   5
2007-08-26 00:50:03, F-50 wrote:
# 2 LOL.
Interceptor have 6 dmg on 0 armor. on 3 armor he did only 3 damage. 3*8=24. Not 45.

# 3 Wrong. Fully apgrad Gal have 4 armor. Fully upgrade interceptor do 4 damage. Not upgraded 2 damage



Don't correct others if ur post is wrong aswell.

Anyway, fully upgraded interceptors does>5< dmg vs fully upgraded goliaths.
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1 year ago
#13

Elyk

   6
carriers is gay :o i never do carriers
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