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1 year ago

aimaimaim
sc2 is more like wc3?? or its just (2529 reads, 36 replies)
well we all know about wc3 having tons of skills.. yeah SKILLS.. the things you cast so that your units will be.. useful.. now..

we all know that in bw, we concentrate more on the macro.

will that kind of game play be as it is on sc2? or im just speculating crap?

also, the new units.. for me, the units on bw are just ok, but when they added units.. specially those units with skills, would that mean, to play sc2 like a pro would take more time than sc1? or im just exaggerating shit?

to sum-up every crap i said above.. ill do math..

in sc:bw - (small to medium)micro+(large)macro=gosu

now in sc2 - (large)micro+(large)macro=gosu

because in wc3, you need to have more micro skill and very little macro.. its because i saw a replay when 4 dryads kill 3 aboms .. if you know what i mean..
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1 year ago
#1

KhanViC

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no... the whole point is to keep the significance of macro, while making micro important as well past 8 minutes



instead of the typical early game control, and then just take bases and out mass ftw type games.. stop crying starcraft and warcraft are complete different games and they intend to keep it that way


and we just seen the protoss, they are known as a race strong for their psionic abilities, which would make sense why they got many skills.. that does not mean terran and zerg will have as many skills, terran will just be sheer firepower and zerg will come in swarms.. and blizzard already said sc2 will be more newbie-friendly as towards learning, but also shows difference of skill more noticeably
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1 year ago
#2

NrG.Shiney

   6
xD theres no micro in TFT, well there is some, only in dota. I just found tft is all about that who can produce more one of a kind units in short time and then go and farm/lvl your hero up.
I think SC2 is like BW, but is going to be slower paced game. And I agree with #1 about the race "look" and in wich way they develope.
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1 year ago
#3

aimaimaim
#2.. you clearly don't know why there is only a 100 food cap on TFT.. and dota are for.. nvrm.. you figure that 1 out..

#1 yeah well like i said, its more like they got something out of wc3 which is to enhance more micro.. wc2 was more like sc:bw too me, more on macro and very less miro so yeah like i said they got something out of wc3.. also, sc on its first day for me was rather newbie-friendly... ^^ cuz i played wc2 a lot when sc1 came ^^.. i was like on 3rd grade back then.. hehe
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1 year ago
#4

2eZ.Nevermind

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2007-06-24 15:19:02, fOr.Shiney wrote:
xD theres no micro in TFT, well there is some, only in dota. I just found tft is all about that who can produce more one of a kind units in short time and then go and farm/lvl your hero up.
I think SC2 is like BW, but is going to be slower paced game. And I agree with #1 about the race "look" and in wich way they develope.


yea man tft is no micro at all LOOK AT GRUBBY or Moon they just don't micro a single shit dota takes a lot more skill and sc is wc3 in space that means is crap too.

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1 year ago
#5

2eZ.Nevermind

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wc3 is very, very micro intensive at any point of the game, the game was made to be like that and after 4 years playing the tft im pretty sure what about what i said, on the midd-high lev ur forced to outmicro ur opponent.

But i also play brood war (i actually enjoy brood war more than wc3) and the micro on late game, (koreans are not included on this group) is a macro whoring fest, u dont even need to spawm the right units, u just spawn a shitload, sometimes frustrastes me, sometimes i have a lot of fun massing zerlings.
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1 year ago
#6

aimaimaim
#4-5 wc3 as you say you need to out-micro you opponent. i don't think that grubby is using micro at all XD
also you said on massing on lings.. yeah those are fun macro, and you don't have it on wc3..
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1 year ago
#7

MaTTeX

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2007-06-24 15:19:02, fOr.Shiney wrote:
xD theres no micro in TFT, well there is some, only in dota. I just found tft is all about that who can produce more one of a kind units in short time and then go and farm/lvl your hero up.
I think SC2 is like BW, but is going to be slower paced game. And I agree with #1 about the race "look" and in wich way they develope.


Did u actually ever played wc3?
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1 year ago
#8

piyade

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2007-06-24 16:27:57, 2eZ.Nevermind wrote:
wc3 is very, very micro intensive at any point of the game, the game was made to be like that and after 4 years playing the tft im pretty sure what about what i said, on the midd-high lev ur forced to outmicro ur opponent.

But i also play brood war (i actually enjoy brood war more than wc3) and the micro on late game, (koreans are not included on this group) is a macro whoring fest, u dont even need to spawm the right units, u just spawn a shitload, sometimes frustrastes me, sometimes i have a lot of fun massing zerlings.


i am a complete ignorant for wc3 dota etc so no comments on what u have said for those games... but i have some ideas about sc and man pls come on we are talking about the best rts ever and u r saying pump any units in a macro fest... think about it again plsplspls...
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1 year ago
#9

aimaimaim
dota are team play. even if you micro your hero like hell, if its 3 vs 1. your pretty much p4wnd.
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1 year ago
#10

Puciek

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From my w3 experience, its all about micro, ur limited to 60-70 supply (upkeep) so all u do is keep producing units from 1 factory while hard microing units on front.
Very micro intense, but close to no macro here, at least from what i noticed.
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1 year ago
#11

2eZ.Nevermind

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I play wc3 on a high lev, i got to rank1 on my server, East a few weeks ago, i stopped because i started playing brood war, but i do have knowlegde about this game, macro is too much of a factor on brood war, the same way micro is too much of a factor wc3. why? i'll explain it.

On wc3 on a mid-high lev, or like me high lev on the american scene both players are equally good, they will have a same amount of micro, games will be decided by creep order, timming, etc the player using his brain will win because of an equal micro, outmicroing won't win u the game.

On bw is the diff sceneario, micro on early game , and macro on late game is too much of a factor, but on a high lev both players will have a very good macro, so the player using his brain, and not only his hands will win, that traslates on a good drop, better built order, map control, etc (well i suck at bw but i think i quite understand how it works).

learn 2 focking play before saying something dumb, because like my grand father says, a dumb statement only comes from a dumb person.
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1 year ago
#12

Rus_Brain

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Stims, Burrows, Load/Unload, Storms/swarms/plagues/iraads/matrixes... ect.etc.
Not skills?

imo sc2 will favour SC1 players more than WC3 ones :o
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1 year ago
#13

prOxi.Hydrogue

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i agree with wat rus_brain said :P
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1 year ago
#14

2eZ.Nevermind

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I dont think sc2 will favor sc or wc3 all will come down to skill. is a diff game if u didnt' notice and with easy micro, etc ur mass clicking is not gonna save u.
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1 year ago
#15

keff

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Yes, SC:BW is macro-based, but it still requires micro, a different kind of micro, or should I say unit control? Since you're controling a vast force instead of a small one, you need to control your troops, but you won't need the heavy kind of micro needed on WC3:FT.

Kind of same thing goes the other way around, yes, macro is not needed the same way on WC3:FT, but if you lack the production you can still lose no matter how insanely good micro you've got.

And for my personal feeling; that is exactly why I prefer games like "3on3 Hunters" - they're oftenly not very much longer then 10mins and micro will be required, atleast if you play with koreans =) And that I do. So there both micro and macro becomes a factor since the games are short enough to really get affected by both, great micro'll give you great advantage, and if you haven't got the macro you'll fry! (There's nothing like rines vs lots is there.. I could fall in love with that!)
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1 year ago
#16

Nimue

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the thing is ... sc2 units can "point and shoot." Units like the stalker, pheonix, whatever still just "point and shoot"

if you WANT to micro them, of course will live longer, do more damage, etc, but you don't HAVE to.

many units in wc3 don't do ANYTHING unless you micro them, and given the amount of time each battle takes, you HAVE to micro unless you have complete and total number superiority.

One more thing is that sc2, all units will have importance early and late game. As I understand it, teching makes the previous tech level units obsolete.
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1 year ago
#17

STiK

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2007-06-24 16:23:05, 2eZ.Nevermind wrote:
2007-06-24 15:19:02, fOr.Shiney wrote:
xD theres no micro in TFT, well there is some, only in dota. I just found tft is all about that who can produce more one of a kind units in short time and then go and farm/lvl your hero up.
I think SC2 is like BW, but is going to be slower paced game. And I agree with #1 about the race "look" and in wich way they develope.


yea man tft is no micro at all LOOK AT GRUBBY or Moon they just don't micro a single shit dota takes a lot more skill and sc is wc3 in space that means is crap too.

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are you retarded? or have u never played wc3? wc3 is much more micro intensive than BW. moon's micro is rediculously amazing, end game he almost never loses a bear with his crazy staff micro. now grubby has been slacking lately but hes taken a step down from his professionalism in WC3, but moon. how dare you say no micro at all. his micro is par with the top pros in BW.
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1 year ago
#18

NrG.Shiney

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.. You are talking about "pros" (theres also many "normal" players =D) and When you say "you need more micro, because of supply limited to 100" or some other shit just shows that you think you can send your units in bw at the 200/200 situation and just make more units. "I don't need to micro because I got so high supply"

And when you are talking about "moon's micro is rediculously amazing, end game he almost never loses a bear with his crazy staff micro" I say go look some vods of nada's/boxer's tvp/tvz and hmmm maybe some july zvt?
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1 year ago
#19

Sinned

   4
# lolz 17? Don't u see that 2ez.nevermind is ironic??
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1 year ago
#20

thePTS

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Yeah micro is more important in WC3, that's a given. I hope SC2 will feature a combination of both, because I'm pretty fed up with WC3 having no economy/macro what so ever.
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