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| lol wtf is up with all these low apm good players! |
| In a 55 minute game, a 170 APM player can drop to 120 due to not many late game actions and lots of turtling. |
| I find it ironic the game I uploaded this guy mocked the apm of the guys, then uploads this :P |
| the game u posted was 25 minutes, but this was a 55 minute game o_O |
| Still doesn't matter. |
| pfffft i still pwn with 27apm on sc |
| lol kiwis own ;) |
| arew? pls post arew vs morrow reps! :) |
| boring T_T |
| infy always plays with low apm, and in F2F he beaten so many pro with this :) |
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| #11 pros = programers = proffesional gamers = gamers that play for money? Maybe not Korean Pros.. European maybe? heh |
| This isn't bisu, he has 300 APM + Good game otherwise, nice moves here and there, 6/10 |
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| would expect more intelligent posting from a gosucrew member. effort shows us otherwise. |
| 28min rangegoon is weird, and inf coulda easily won at 30-40, too bad he didn't scout the carriers. |
| hey effort quit bein such a wierdo man! obvisouly hes not referring to some CJ entus or one of ur super uber cool friendsz that are hella progaymerz just good users u know what he means dont be a snob |
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| yes you god damn moron, yes. that is what the term means. "professional" - you get paid for doing something. edited to fix typo. |
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| Maybe pro really means that you get paid for doing smth, but also in StarCraft community being progamer means for most people having progamer's license, no? So IMO Effort has his point - depends on which definition you take ;) |
| no, he does not have a point, the kid is just bitter and jealous or im not sure what. the "progamer license" crap only applies to korea where they thought this would be a good idea. so, you have to have a license to be a professional starcraft player. still does not change the fact that someone who gets paid to play sc is a professional starcraft player. effort continues to prove himself to be a narrow minded stupid person with every post he makes here. edit: he also seems to be very childish. is this the image gosugamers wants to portray? |
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| the licenses are issued by whatever organisations that think have the power to issue them. the fact remains - "foreign" starcraft/warcraft/cs players do play starcraft for the prize money AND without a license because there is NO NEED FOR ONE, some actually live off the prize money and get regular pay making them fully professional in that sense that they don't need additional income. a computer game as work, as your main source of income makes it a PROFESSION therefore someone who plays a computer game for this purpose is a PROFESSIONAL computer games player, in this case a PROFESSIONAL STARCRAFT PLAYER no matter what country he lives in and no matter what license he has. case closed. edit: the examples youve supplied strangely have one thing in common - it is dangerous to have everyone driving around and shooting at random stuff - for example blind people - so these activities need to be regulated somehow. and to piss on your little bonfire even further - a professional hitman does not need a license for a gun, does he? he still makes his living off killing people. also, i love how your argument deteriorates into random crap about how someone is not able to beat a D- or whatever this absurd bs is. if youre still not satisfied - www.dictionary.com and search for the word "professional" and then come apologize for wasting our time and trying to mislead people just out of spite. especially when youre part of the gosugamers crew. |
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| "There is no pros in any foreigner team. " - effort you also posted something else along the same lines later on but it seems to be edited now. i assume your feeble little mind either thinks "pro" means "skilled" or is just too narrow to understand and accept that the so called "progaming" exists in other countries as well. you have two options - a) learn english so you know how to use "professional" or "pro" in a sentence b) eat your own words and the argument itself does not have any connection to you being a gosugamer crew member but your posts do and to be honest, they're weak and full of needless aggression. i guess puberty has its share in that tho. |
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| cmon guys, calm down.. There are people who like to call the foreigners pro instead of gosu, and some who would never agree them to be pro, both have their points, but in the end it's all about the own oppinion on that. |
| What make Mondi less pro then CJ_Idra ? Mondi has earned LOT more money then Idra from BW... |
| only koreans need license to be pro. rest of the world doestn need that crap. the license thing is bullshit. cs pros, warcraft3, fifa08 pros they dont have license but they are progamers, they make livinig with that and they also kick korean asses.. |
| pfffft this is stupid if ur logic stands then im fkin progamer at bejeweled deluxe and wow and maybe even taekwondo... |
| PROFESSIONAL - noun : an expert player, as of golf or tennis, serving as a teacher, consultant, performer, or contestant; pro. This definition says an EXPERT. When compared to EVERY SINGLE pro gamer active right now, no foreigner can be considered an EXPERT. If korean professionals are seen as experts, then the top foreigners cannot be called the same thing. Thus, they cannot be professional until they are considered experts. To be considered an expert, you need to be able to compete with and take games off of other experts consistantly. No foreigner can do that, thus no foreigner is a professional. This entire argument is pointless, and flawed on both sides. Money is not the ONLY thing that determines someones level of professionalism. When you look at things like basketball, hockey, football etc, you only call those who are in the actual top leagues professional. If someone is getting PAID to play hockey on a private team, but is not NEARLY as good as someone in the NHL, he is not professional. Sure he is getting paid to play for his team once in a while, but he is only an amature. The same thing is applied to foreigners. If white-ra wins 3 tournaments a year , he is still just an amature. 1) He played in an amature tournament (no progamers) 2)He did not need any prior credentials to enter 3) He gets paid a single sum, one time only. You need to compare players to the HIGHEST LEAGUE possible. Money has nothing to do with it. Someone can pay me a small fee to play on their basketball team. I am nowhere near as good as any players in the NBA, yet I have the right to call myself a professional basketball player? I don't think so. I can call myself a PAID amature player, but calling me a professional basketball player is flat out wrong. It is NOT white-ras job to play starcraft, and if it was, until he is playing in the highest league possible, he is not a professional gamer. He is an amature gamer, who makes occasional money from playing, but he doesnt make what other professionals make, he doesn't compete in their leagues, and has nothing to do with it. So clearly, calling someone who is NOT EVEN involved in the league, professional, is flat out wrong. I suppose you are going to argue back, using the same argument used against effort that if you are paid to do something, you are professional. However, we both know that is wrong, and flawed beyond belief. You are PROFESSIONAL when you are on the same caliber as the OTHER PROFESSIONAL PLAYERS. Until then you are an amature. Lastly for those people saying a progamer license is stupid, you are wrong. There are thousands of players in korea, aspiring to join teams and compete. In order to keep their league PROFESSIONAL , they require that you get a license that states you have qualified enough to compete. This stops mass kids from joining teams and failing. You know why they fail? BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT PROFESSIONAL!!!!!!!!!! sigh. |
| woow fight ~ |
| FIFA deficnition for pro is = makes more money then spends on his hobby. I'll go for that 1 :) |
| Effort, sorry but what you think isn't applicable law. Your behaviour is totally not professional so please, stop. This definition says an EXPERT. When compared to EVERY SINGLE pro gamer active right now, no foreigner can be considered an EXPERT. Considering the fact that top foreigners do beat top progamers from time to time saying what you said is somewhere between "dumb" and "not true". Do you think only best contestants can be called EXPERTS? How the fack do those old pricks judge ski jumps? If you think Mondragon, White-Ra and many other foreign players, are not experts on this game than GL in achieving anything in your real life. |
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| just imagine ppl as PJ beating savior 2-1 @WCG2007, is that professional or what? Yea, for sure he got a pro license, but he wasn't in a proteam for how long? more than 2years? also mondragon got a game of savior, and srsly, koreans DO try @WCG, due to the money and since they want to defend your proud of Korea dominating. And also, some non-progamers, foreigners, do actually get more money than some koreans, some ppl even earn more than 250euro/month, cmon .. how much did this one guy earn? 1k a year or something? .. (even tho it was only ACE, but he can compete and also got a pro license, so what?) |
| #37 you are completely wrong and full of shit. Your only counter to me is that ONCE IN A WHILE a foreigner takes a game off of a progamer. That doesnt mean they are professional and equal to the progamer. So what if 1 in 50 games, the professional loses. That does not mean the other player is an expert, it means he is capable of winning around 5% of the games. Thats nothing.. Soo.... Yes I stand by 100% that mondragon and other foreigners cannot be considered EXPERTS until they can consistantly compete with korean progamers. How the hell can you call someone an EXPERT when they would lose 95% of their games vs TOP PROFESSIONAL KOREANS. Seriously are you that retarded that you deem both foreigners and koreans on the same ranks, and thus both are EXPERTS? If I played basketball , and then there were over 100 players that were 10 times better than me, how can I be called an EXPERT? They would be called the experts, and my level would not be the same. If I played chess, and there were over 100 players that were 10 TIMES better than me, how can I be called an expert? If I played STARCRAFT, and there were over 100 players that were 10 TIMES better than me....HOW THE HELL CAN I BE CALLED AN EXPERT????????? those 100 players 10 times better than me would be the experts...NOT ME. Seriously...let that sink in a minute before you respond..... |
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| wow what is all this? Everyone can use the terms they wish to use. ok?? |
#43 wrong, EffOrt is the word police!   |
| So basically Effort you just said that EVERYBODY who is not Korean StarCraft player with a Pro license is not a "professional gamer"? That's just so wrong Sir. Warcraft3 has no progamers? CS has no progamers? No other game except SC has progamers? Cause that's what you're saying by "only pros with license are real pros". Sry, I really like you Effort, and I do agree that Koreans are better in Starcraft but thats because of the environment. If there would be 3 Broadcasting stations and so much money for Starcraft in each country they'd be just as good as Korea in like 1-2 years. It has nothing to with the race, us foreigners being "less skilled" or anything, it's just that Koreans can "sacrifice" their life for SC and get rewarded for it. Wow how great. |
| EffOrtarded. please stop responding, I'm losing intelligence with every post you write. |
| from efforts profile: You're all bunch of idiots, narrow minded, no life, overweight who seem to forget in starcraft foreigners are bad and Koreans are good no foreigner is good and can never compete with top Koreans. GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK HEAD. very professional, I'm calling for a protest for the removal of this pre pubescent moron. |
| I agree on Effort you aint pro gamer in bw before you've won a courage and accepted by a pro team. So courrently there is no american or european pro gamers. |
| for #34 pro⋅fes⋅sion⋅al /prəˈfɛʃənl/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [pruh-fesh-uh-nl] Show IPA Pronunciation –adjective 1. following an occupation as a means of livelihood or for gain: a professional builder. its that simple. you didnt have to write a 2 page post only to be proven wrong. im sorry. to the people agreeing with effort: starcraft is played in other countries other than korea as well. there are other games people play for a living - cs for example - did the winners of wcg2008 have a license for being professional cs players? and you can be sure that they call themselves and theyre called "professional cs players". poker is a really good example too - anyone who plays poker for a living and has it as their main source of income is a professional poker player. no license needed. gg. |
| omg effort, as a member of gosucrew you should not be involved in any idiot flames like this. and it was started on a little and unnecesary shit, like a word "pro". it can mean different things in different languages you know, for example in hungary, where there are no players like mondragon or strelok, we call everybody pro, who is a high skilled player. it doesnt mean that we dont know what is the meaning of progamer in bw, we just say this to mention him as a skilled player. ( i didnt read all of the comments, just the first 10-15, but it was enough to see thats just an idiot arguing) |
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