SearchDuskBins kept their word
Posted by Lukasz "McBat" Grzelak 4 months ago
In the eleventh Grand Final of the iCCup Clan League DuskBin managed to win over mouz and took the gold trophy home, just as their leader promised at the beginning of the season.The finals were pretty one-sided, with the 3:1 score in DuskBin's favour and 2vs2 games being forfeited by mouz. You can see detailed results in the table below.
| mouz vs DuskBin | ||
  White-Ra | 0 - 2 |   SEn |
 Sziky | 0 - 2 |  JayStaR |
 Strelok | 2 - 1 | RushGooN |
 kolll | 0 - 2 | F91 |
GosuGamers talked to DuskBin.Ash for his comments on the match:
-The series against mousesports was much easier than I thought with 3 of our players winning 2-0 in 1v1. Despite the fact that we were leading 3-0 in 1v1s, I still think mousesports was a quite impolite to leave the server straight away without telling us anything about the 2v2 games.
I find it very disrespectful not only to us but also to the people who voted for this series in the GosuBets and people who has been following the league. It has been an amazing season for us and obviously we deserve this title more than other teams out there.
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Our players are just generally much better than the others ” | Links |
| iCCup.com - Source |
| DuskBin.com - Replays |
5
| lol |
| Mouz should have putted better lineup ... still gg's tho |
| Well lineup was just fine. I agree with Ash, it feels weird to have a forfeit in the Grand Final. /R |
| do the duskbin guys play sc2? |
| #4 yep all of them do. Sen is playing in asian server while the others play in US server. |
| Lu was good maybe JF instead of sziky woul be better. But in the end DB was too good for mouz. |
| Cant see sc1 surviving after sc2 open beta :p |
| wow duskbin did great, greater than others |
| gj |
| wow gj DB, too bad mouz ;| |
| In order to win the playoffs / finals a team needs 3 wins so there is no point playing the rest if a team has already won as the score will not change the fact. |
nice, gw duskbin  |
| “Our players are just generally much better than the others ” ... ..even if that extreme statement were true which can be debated, I dislike rubbing something like that into other peoples faces. And to complain about their opponents beim BM in the same interview...quit bitching and manner up, mabye? Still, congratz for the title. |
| jaystar and f91 just abusers |
| ash, once again I didn't expect more from such a sad guy that has to put a lag lineup to beat other teams. Glad that you had to fight vs asian people so you guys got rolled in decent games. You're just not worth it, no wonder why you got fired from fnatic. |
| “Strelok is just generally much better than the others“ Strelok 2 - 1 RushGooN i wanna see this. |
| #15 its funny that other teams dont have lag problem vs duskbin only mouz does. excuses. duskbin just roflstomps every other team o,o |
| Tell F91 and Never or Jaystar to play me in a non lag match with you as obs. If they beat me 1 game of 3 then I pay you 50 USD, if they don't, you pay me 50 USD. You're free to add me MSN to set up date for the bet. I'll be glad to roflstomp them, honestly. |
| Then why did you forfeit? If you're so gosu, you should be able to roflstomp even with lagg no? Just shut up kid, I've seen enough of your arrogance, you suck. Duskbin is simply a better team than Mouz, especially since Sen plays Zerg again, no offense to Mouz, since their 1v1 players are really gosu too. Oh and Westside is a strong 2v2 player too, but Duskbin is just better in 1v1 for now, although Mouz has a lot of players who are really talented (Kolll, Sziky) and who could be the greatest players outside Korea really soon, but by then Starcraft 2 will be released, so I hope to see them in Starcraft 2!:) |
| #19 no point in him playing dude cw was over =P lol and iG along with a few other teams had lag problems with DB |
| rolf at @#18 you are at mouz because you make good interviews 8D |
| Deto, you are just wrong and i'm getting bored of your silly comments. All of the other teams had lagg issues vs them. We just arent used to high-lat-lagg like the Chinese, especially in times of the lagg-free SC2 beta when no one of us did play SC1 regulary. Its always annoying to play under such circumstances and no one can question it. Still, its undoubtful that F91, Jaystar etc are pretty good and they probably deserve it because they took it much more serious to win their first iCCup CL title in order to get a little bit attention for ash's team-experiment DB. |
| Even without lag duskbin is strong. Don't forget all of those players play in offline tournies against each other and they play vs strong players like pj, lx, toodming, and koreans too |
| 18 you talk so much shit, but you know you'd still get your shit tossed |
| #18 be funnier plz. F91 would rape your ass off single handedly. |
| Seriously... wtf mouz? oO Why so bm in finals? Looks like Duskbin deserve their win. |
#18 lag reasons...  |
| Even if Duskbin deserved the win there, hanging out the window with this arrogant comment would not have been needed. High nose doesn´t make you taller ^^ |
| We weren't bm. Its just the usual way to not play the 2v2 in playoff if the 1v1 already decided the CW. I wonder why its such an outrage in this case. ToT did it in round 1 vs us and it also happened quite often before. Its ridiculous to blame us for it; especially as an teammanager who should know about such things. As i said, they probably deserve the title this time because - due to various reasons - they took it way more serious than we did. And no one can question that F91, rushgoon etc are really good players. But the bad Chinese con is always a huge factor in their CWs. I just think ash's statement shows his arrogance and disrespect for our team and the foreign players in general and thats kinda bold and disappointing. |
| I don't see how my statement is offensive to the foreign players by saying the chinese players are generally much better. It's the same as people saying koreans are generally much better than the others. If it's not bm to not inform your opponents anything about the remaining games especially when they have mentioned about it and left the server directly after you guys were down 0-3 then I don't know what is. It's even more ridiculous how you're trying to deny the fact that it's impolite to leave like that and blame me for being arrogant. I'm not going to argue anymore about this but those who showed up and were in the channel know bout the truth and the truth speaks for itself. |
| yea... china can be the strongest country in sc2... |
| #31 We will see |
| #17 not only Mouz had such problems ;o |
| I dont want to argue about this issue since its useless but your statement was a bit BM, Ash. It's normal to leave the channel after losing the playoffs/finals since only 3 wins are needed to win. Durring all these clan wars I've seen many teams leaving once they we're down 0-3 or 1-3 in the 1v1's. I can say this about my team - mouz. and I can also say the same thing about ToT cause when we played against each other the only important thing was to score the 3 important wins and the rest didnt really matter. If ToT won the 1v1's we've left BN since they've won, when we won ToT did the same (check this seasons iCCup Playoffs, we won and ToT didnt play the 2v2). The thing is we never blamed our opponent to leave the channel or werent calling them impolite or BM. Also saying that these chinese are _SO MUCH_ better is just silly. They are just like any other top players in the foreign scene however there is one difference - they can play in lag while our players preffer to play in good conditions. I would really like to see your players playing 1v1 games _WITH_ one person being the observer and trust me the lag would be just terrible and your team would be forced to forfeit almost every game with the exception of SEn maybe who has probably the best connection. If we wanted we could have said the same thing about this clan war here: http://www.gosugamers.net/starcraft/gosubet/47422 We won it and we could make a statement saying that: ''Dreiven is just generally better then the chinese'' since: Dreiven > F91 Dreiven > LBH Dreiven > RushGooN But as you can see we never said anything like that since we respect our oponnent. I have never seen anyone talk this way about their enemy and belive me its a bit impolite. Also the fact that most of our players are busy playing the SC2 beta and as MaX already said we didnt take it so seriously. Looking forward for a rematch in the next iCCup CL season. Regards & peace & GG's |
| With the prize you should buy your team some decent router Ash, IT WON'T HURT YOU TO HAVE NO LAG, I SWEAR! |
| Congratulations to Duskbin on the win, but in all honestly i believe if the entire clan war was mirror matched white-ra and sziky would have won their matches. So its not a matter of your players being better Ash, its a matter of their shape in certain matchups. im pretty sure f91 wouldnt have won if he was matched against a protoss. |
| #35 if a connection is coming slower from the ISP, a router wont change shit |
| T.T seeing the old MYM team like this makes me die a little inside... |
| Well I think both parties are wrong in a sense that mouz did not take the clan war seriously/as serious as DuskBin. Also DuskBin.Ash's statement saying that 'Our players are generally much better than the others' was quite impolite. I personally think those kind of statements should be kept to yourself.If you know that you have better players than the mouz just keep it to yourself man don't have to rub it in the interview. On the other hand, mouz.MaX/mouz.Lastnight should've informed DuskBin.Ash that you guys wanted to forfeit the 2v2 matches and not assume that DuskBin knows that you guys wanted to. As a sign of respect and responsibilty as a team manager you guys should've informed DuskBin.Ash that you guys wanted to forfeit. I don't know maybe thats how you europeans do it but for us it's really rude to just leave battle.net after the 1v1 matches finished. I know it's hard to play important matches with the horrid lags but both parties are also playing with lag and the better player will obviously win the match.It's not to say the Chinese players can play with lag but it's because as a human being we are able to adapt to conditions that we face in our life.Chinese players are also human you know. I'm just saying this from a middle man's point of view. I mean no sign of direspect to any parties but just voicing out my honest opinion. Congratulations to DuskBin.Ash and the team for winning the ICCL you guys really deserved it and mouz for putting up the great match.  |
| #18 I'll take that bet! |
it's funny how players from mouz are bold enough to say anything about lag. as if lag affects only them...  |
| the main difference is that in an online league the chinese are used to it in the sense that the internet there is so bad that they are going to play with lag regardless. the problem then lies in the fact that other teams must also play in lag for the "fairness" factor. so needless to say its advantageous for a team that plays every clan war in lag as opposed to those who are forced todo it only against a certain team. sure at the end of the say DB won and good for them but its an advantage if even a slight one. however this manager person surely made himself out to look like a total douche via his comment. |
| #18 Man, you made my day Lag or not, Chinese own non-korean, admit it |
Our players are just generally much better than the others really sincere words xddd |
| Bella making a fool out of himself once again |
| never lost :C |
| Well, to be honest, the fact that blizzard always favours the asian players or their entire gaming scene in general , its a really big advantage for the asians. Every player that gets to play a game 2-3 months before the rest of the world, must be retarded not to own everyone else. For instance, if blizzard had a pool of 10k beta keys to give away, 6-7k at least have gone to asia. Other than that, theres also the lag issue that will probably never get solved. Saying that the asians or only specific countries in asia are better than some other country/region or even continent, is a very strong word. If you take a foreigner and make him play a game, starting at the same time as an asian player,having the same practice hours and stuff, a match between the two would get decided by the inspiration they have during the games. |
| #47 Joke post or just retarded? Starcraft has been out for over a decade and was released in NA first. What is this game you are referring to that has Blizzard favoring Asians over everyone else and what does it have to do with DuskBin beating Mouz in a Starcraft match. |
| #34 well its a fact that DuskBin usually beats you guys, thats probably why he said it. If it had just been a one time thing he obviously wouldnt have. Also, Dreiven has beaten many of the chinese players but they have also beaten him. Strelok's TvT seems to be on fire though, Rushgoon is a beast |
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