SearchNo more clan wars for RoX
Posted by Lasse "Get.Enron" Engen 2 years ago
Lately, RoX.KiS has shown some bad results compared to their standards and goals, and there is a reason for that. After many of the players in the team got caught cheating during Teamliquid Starleague 2, the fans turned their backs on them, and players started leaving the team.
- "Our team has always been open to the fans and the community. Our players are glad to communicate with their fans, you can often see the material on our team on the main pages of many websites. We are pleased to share with you our replays and VODs. We value our fans, but many of them turned their backs on us after the events of TSL2. It is common for people to make mistakes, and we realize that our players were wrong, but the punishment that was applied on us was too harsh and is not fair."
Bruce further explains that after their players got banned from different communities they lost motivation for Starcraft after all the effort they've put down in the leagues, ICCup Clanleague and WGTour.
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A clan war is an explosion of emotions. ” - RoX.Bruce- "A clan war is an explosion of emotions - when the two teams meet to determine who is stronger. We have went through every possible emotion. We want to thank the teams we've played with - thank you for the battles and the experience we have acquired."
The players in RoX also have jobs or school to go to, and giving them some time to get a hold of those things is the first priority now.
- "They need to free up some time for themselves and their families."
We'll just have to wait and see what the future brings, but RoX will not leave StarCraft,
- "We will take part in tournaments where we can express ourselves, and where there is development. Thanks to the community that supported us."
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| too bad, but players that still want to play will still play. Not much point in having a team that doesn't play in CWs so they might as well change this decision or disband the team. |
Bad to hear this news. But I think they will be back soon or they will just wait for SC2  |
| Ofcourse "fans" are going to be mad when a top team gets multiple players caught cheating. WTF did you think was going to happen when this kind of news broke. The fact of the matter is that RoX fails because of the cheating players not there fans. No fans are going to support cheaters. Your players are what destroyed the team. |
| #3 x2 |
| The part that angers me the most is the fact that they slap their remaining players in the face by folding like this. I know they just recruited a few ppl like happyzerg and scroll, and basically by rox making this move it's like saying "you guys are too crap to carry the team," why would you recruit them in the first place if they aren't good enough to play in division 1. Again like in the forum post, don't blame others for your players stupidity, its a 22k tournament where people need to be honest throughout the ladder to make it, you'd think after the first tsl and the ppl that got caught there people would smarten up, obviously not the case. |
| BB rox :((( <3 |
| cheater's clan |
| thats too bad , nice times |
| it's nice that they are putting blame on the community for harsh punishment... they have FIVE FUCKING PLAYERS CHEATING IN THE SAME EVENT, lol. |
| I think comment #1,2,6,10 says it all xD |
| good luck RoX |
| Totally wrong translated from russian ... but nevermind... |
| #3 says it all here. Not the community's or the fans fault that those players did cheat. What goes around, comes around.. |
| Damn, RoX, NO! :( <3 |
| I still supported RoX as a team =\ Sure it hurt the team quite a bit for what happened in tsl2, but you still had brat_ok, alf marwin, pomi, happyzerg, drewbie and babo. (they joined then left recently?) If everyone got their act together I'm sure they could have stayed in division 1 while the other players took a break from the game. =[ and who are the other members in RoX that never play? What happened to RoX.Assault? |
| The 'abuse' that is referred to regarding TSL should be allowed. The TSL system is designed so that playing with players of higher ranking provides higher rewards. If one person loses, then another person gains. There should be no limit to the choice of action that players can do in participating in such a competition. Players should be given the freedom whether they would like to drop a game at their discretion. There is no inset rule that prohibits a player from 'giving up' if they choose to. After all, it would be to their own detriment. It would seem rather oppressive if a rule was implemented to force players to win in certain situations. There would be great difficulty enforcing such a rule as it would be almost impossible to prove if the players disguised such a situation. Furthermore, it would be a subjective judgment call which may not be applied fairly. Overall, there is no express rule that can govern the conduct of two players within a game. This can be contrasted with the tax system (TSL System). It is illegal to evade tax (hack) however tax avoidance (deliberately losing a game) is within the rules of the income tax laws (Starcraft laws) and one cannot be punished for arranging their spending to avoid tax. If the TSL organizers wanted to prevent abuse, they need to create clear legislation that prevents it or to come up with a better system. |
| good decision imo. their name was tarnished. these players can now do their own thing on new tags without the weight of "Rox" |
| "The 'abuse' that is referred to regarding TSL should be allowed." Well, it wasn't. And you can't break rules just because you don't like them and expect to get away with it. "There should be no limit to the choice of action that players can do in participating in such a competition." Let the player with the most friends to give him freewins win! "There would be great difficulty enforcing such a rule as it would be almost impossible to prove if the players disguised such a situation." Reality begs to differ. "Furthermore, it would be a subjective judgment call which may not be applied fairly." No, it wouldn't. You read the rules, follow the rules. Perfectly objective. "Overall, there is no express rule that can govern the conduct of two players within a game." Ehm, yes there is. Read the TSL rules? "If the TSL organizers wanted to prevent abuse, they need to create clear legislation that prevents it or to come up with a better system." You mean like the rules here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=105717 ? Your post makes zero sense. |
| "many of them turned their backs on us after the events of TSL2." No, your players turned their backs on the community, esports and sportsmanship. You're not the victim, the community is. Stop martyring yourself. |
| "Ehm, yes there is. Read the TSL rules?" These are the only rules of the competition that are remotely related to the topic: No transferring of stats or playing in ICCup tournaments to gain points. No multiple or shared TSL accounts. You may have another ICCup account without a TSL tag, but that account cannot play games against TSL tagged players. None of these rules expressly detail a scenario where a player loses to his friend, where it does not involve transfer of stats. As I said, proving the mental element (mens rea) of conduct is not easy. The players that were caught did not want to exacerbate the situation. There is a possibility that some hackers were not caught. So yes, it is a subjective judgment call that needs to be assessed on an individual basis. Your argument fails because there are no express rules that govern a players discretion to lose matches for his/her pleasure. You need to read what you post. |
| in soccer there is no rule u are not allowed to shoot down ur enemy goalkeeper but i am PRETTY SURE thats not allowed ! |
| "No multiple or shared TSL accounts. You may have another ICCup account without a TSL tag, but that account cannot play games against TSL tagged players." Several players used a non-TSL account to play against TSL players to take pts from them without risking their own accounts. Result=ban. "TSL players may play ladder games against non-TSL players, provided those non-TSL players do not have TSL accounts." Which was broken in the process of being given freewins. Result=ban. That giving and recieving freewins is not allowed is common sense. If you do not agree with this, you are pretty alone in your view of how tournaments should be run. Anyway, in all cases that I remember on top of my head, the two rules above were broken by the banned players. |
| 2-3 games doesn't matter. It is nothing. all the fans of RoX will be with them. |
Why all discuss tsl. This had little effect on the closure of the team. Just everything has it ends and here is our time has come. gl to all  |
| LOC the only reason to argue with a blatant troll is to make him late for work. |
| I SAY WE NEED VIDEO CHECKING!!!! lol well farewell rox.kis you're not the first one. my team died long ago, but we never cheated. |
| "LOC the only reason to argue with a blatant troll is to make him late for work." Which would have him fired, leavning him unemployed and unable to pay his internet bill. And I win. Everything has a purpose! |
| RoX FOREVA! |
| arrow <333 |
| sad. my favoutite team |
| Regarding post 23, I am aware that ROX players were banned as a result of an express breach of those two clauses. However, I am also referring to situations where those clauses were not relevant. In a normal sports knockout tournament, there are often situations where two players representing the same country may elect the most suitable person to play against the next opponent as a strategic tactic. The result is of course that the person losing does not qualify for the next round. The penalty for the losing player is much greater than say, losing points that can be replenished. Hence the fault is of the TSL system and not the players in finding a work around to gaining easy points 'within the rules'. |
| <3 rox. poor ppl who blame them so hard for this tsl issue. they got their penalty, just be happy - wtf? |
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| Cheating sucks. Period. I've been a total wanker in my younger days, but I have never cheated. So it's good that people take a distance from cheating, by not condoning their acts. |
| LOC youre wrong, the community is not the victim here compared to friendships built for years in a clan and seasons of participating in top divisions. How many must be laid to the wayside in order to 'send a message' ? Yes, the attitude to hackers is the correct one but do we really have enough good foreigners that we can afford to lay down such blanket harsh treatment? Oh well i guess whats done is done |
| dodging should also be forbidden! ^^ |
| To bad for the players who didn't cheat. For those who did... |
| *cry me a reeeaaaver* #17  |
| Wow i just loled badly. How sad is that to cry about harsh punishment and blame people for that LOL. You are clan full of sad cheaters and better leave the scene without embarassing yourself even more. Oh my god this is just so pathetic, You are not even mature enough to take responsibility for your actions with dignity. |
| I liked RoX and still think the punishment's been too harsh, but nvm, gl :-) |
| haha funny indeed :D and sad for them who didnt cheat in rox x( what makes koreans, abusing the matchlist in the past wcg's to their favour, cheaters-.- and u still cheer for em?! there is no rule about that(im not sure but they did) but as #22 said it shoudlnt be allowed... for the fags i dont agree with cheaters behavior, especially in prize tournaments #37 stupidy too |
I swear that this is not the only clan who makes such a decision.  |
| #41 As many people said, it's f*ing $22k. It's a good enough decision. |
| #40 true |
| #17 i have always thought that asians were smarter than us:( thank you for proving me wrong:) |
| very sad news |
| RoX has always been good team for me, sad they are leaving the scene :/ #17 gotta agree with #46 ... you just wasted minutes of your life by typing too many pointless words  |
| Notwithstanding the issue of TSL2 it is sad that ROX disbands. |
| u guyz all yelling here toward some PHRASES. that are totally incorrectly translated from russian! the whole topic has different style and MEANING! but u dont care ahahaa :) |
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