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ret talks about Korea and TeamLiquid Starleague
Posted by Patrik "Raistlin" Hellstrand 2 years ago
Jos "ret" de Kroon will be entering the TeamLiquid Starleague's third round on Sunday. GosuGamers caught the in-Korea Zerg player earlier this Saturday.ret ended in seventh place in the ladder, and therefore earned a place in the third round of the qualifier. On Sunday, he is up against Romanian Zerg Adrian "FlaF" Popescu in a direct Round of 16 qualification match.
How does it feel to enter the qualification rounds just NOW, and skipping the first two rounds?
- Feels to me like it was worth the effort put into the ladder stage, every round represents a certain risk of getting eliminated. So the fewer rounds the better.
Were there any results in the previous rounds that surprised you? And do you feel FlaF's win over G5 was to your favor?
- No real surprises for me, the only small surprise was ghosta beating marwin in TvT, there were a lot of matches that could have gone either way, and all the clear favourites won their matches. I don't really think it matters whether I play G5 or Flaf, both are good players and I would be prepared either way.
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I feel my ZvZ is in tune with my other matchups in terms of skill. My TvZ was probably better though back when I played it a lot.- I will be playing Zerg throughout the series. I've been playing a lot of ZvZ the past week(s) and have another courage tournament next weekend, in which I will have to play zerg as well.
And how is the transitioning to ZvZ going? Do you rate yourself as good in it as in TvZ?
- Well it's a different matchup. In TvZ, if you are the best player, you will rarely lose a game. In ZvZ you can be the best, and still drop games occasionally, that's why people call it a coin-flip. But I feel my ZvZ is in tune with my other matchups in terms of skill. My TvZ was probably better though back when I played it a lot.
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It's a shame the way things turned out. And being out here certainly hasn't been good on my wallet.- I'm going home on the 28th, and playing one last courage tournament on the 24th. Regardless of the result, I will be heading home 4 days later. All in all I've only been in the estro house for about 3 weeks, it's a shame the way things turned out. And being out here certainly hasn't been good on my wallet.

When did you sense that your trip would not work out as you had hoped? What were the key issues that made your goals shatter?
- Well, it's basically just the way I was treated in the estro house, language barrier, not feeling comfortable, all those kind of things. I won't go into details, but after a while I just couldn't take it anymore. I really wanted to give it my all to be a 'progamer', but I found out shortly after my arrival that some Koreans just don't give you any respect. I was playing iccup by myself all day. I felt very alone, and after a while that gets extremely tedious and you start to wonder why you are trying your best for these people. When I left there, I had hopes for joining another team, but that turned out unlikely.
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I do not want to be a token foreigner who is just there because he's white, my pride is too big for that. - They can pay for my trip back to Korea if they actually really do want me and treat me with courtesy you would expect for someone who travels halfway across the globe for you. Other than that I'm not spending another $ trying to join a korean proteam. It's not like I expect the world but showing interest in each other's game, occasionally playing with you, talking about the game, are things I did expect when living in a house with other SC players, none of that happend the 1st time around however.
I do not want to be a token foreigner who is just there because he's white, my pride is too big for that. I still believe my ZvP and ZvT are certainly not worse than korean b-teamers right now, and the games I did play in the house backed up that statement. But none of that mattered.
What plans do you have when you come back to Netherlands?
- Probably work untill september, when the new school year starts, then I'll have to make a choice between SC2 (if that is out by then) or resuming my academic carreer.
How big chances do you feel you have in winning the whole TSL? Who do you see as your biggest contenders for the title?
- Well, obviously my preprations for the event has not been ideal. But I will look at it round by round, and try to find time to practice in pc bangs while I'm in Korea, and after spending some time with family I will find time to practice back in my old appartment there as well. Winning the whole thing is a very difficult task for anyone except maybe IdrA, but if I play well I do have a shot. Biggest contenders as far as I can tell from the Ro16 bracket, is IdrA, who will make it to the final, and kolll is a very tough player in my side of the bracket.

Another player in your bracket side is Draco, who just like you left Korea after a period of time. Do you have more respect for the foreigners who went to Korea to give it a shot just for that reason?
- I have immense respect for IdrA, who has stuck it out through all the shit he gets from Koreans for 2 years now. To overcome that you need an iron will and able to take a lot of crap that you don't deserve at all. And obviously I have respect for anyone who tried in the past, left everything behind and went into a very hostile foreign enviroment with a complete change of lifestyle. It's a very ballsy move, and regardless of succes or failure, all who did it deserve credit for trying.
What do you think of the chosen maps? New Tornado and Fighting Spirit are just a couple of months old, have you practiced them enough?
- Yes, I have practised them plentifull, fighting spirit is also a courage map and recently I added Tornado into the practice mix. Both are standard maps, I don't really have an opinion on them, although I do prefer 2 or 3 player maps over 4 player maps.
Final question: If you had to choose, which would you rather win: TSL or the next Courage tournament, and why?
- TSL, because of the prizemoney, winning courage would be nice to prove a point that non koreans actually can compete, and I know it can be done, but other than my ego it's good for nothing at the moment.
Any final words you want to share?
- Well since this is the first time I've really publically spoken about Korea, I would just like to say thank you to everyone who supported me, and I'm sorry things didn't work out for those who wanted to see me do well. That is all.
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| #38 ++1 |
| #25.. i think you're forgetting ret didn't go to korea to entertain his fans, or make fans proud, but to try and achieve something for himself.. we are really just spectators, he doesn't owe us anything for our 'support'. also, calling his decision to leave 'quitting without a fight' is ignorant, or you know something we don't know? as far as i can tell he tried. ret, good luck in TSL. i hope you get some cash out of it, and i hope you never bow your head down when someone mentions korea to you. so what if korea wasn't the place for you... you had the guts to try it, and you're a better person because you have that experience. now you know you won't be saying 'oh.. what could have become of me if i went to korea in my youth' when you're 40 or something. life experience > anything monetary, so good job. gl w/ college also. ^^ i'll be rooting for you~ and though it is of no importance to you, you have my respect. |
| ye fuck those koreans man, who the hell they think they are for not respecting you. GL in studies and whatever you decide to do afterwards |
| @1 and what rekrul say?? |
| Good decision not to waste time in an environment where you don't feel accepted. I know it's not easy to give up on a big dream like that when you've come so close. I hope ret quickly recovers from this disappointment and finds something much better soon. |
| fail. |
| I honestly feel bad for ret after reading that interview. They basically ignored him and payed no attention to him as if they are better people. This is unjust and undignified because we are all humans and should be treated equally. In reality i thought going to korea would be something any gamer would love but reading on how they barely give a shit about you and they dont even train with u really is bad...I'd rather play starcraft at home where i can be with my family and continue my degree in university. Going to korea means you are giving up everything and that is something ret has done. He gave up everything in his current life (Exccept sc) to go to korea and achieve his dream of progaming. Now koreans arent bad people...i hope people dont start thinking this way but i honestly think the progamers get too cocky when somebody comes to their country to do the job they are doing. They probably think he is an invader or something stupid like that. So yea ret go back home to Netherlands and do your best as a foriegn sc player ^.^ Even though those koreans didnt recognize you for who you are i hope you know that u have a couple thousand foriegners who respect you. gl man |
| well as i thought, ret goes home idra stays...i was 100% sure that ret would go home before idra, though i like ret more. its not that easy to just go there and develop. when ret went there i was thinking he will never get to idras level cus he will go home before. ppl think just cus he's close to his level now he will be better then idra fast, doesent work that way. takes much more longer to go from good to the best..thats why idra seem to be standing stil some of the time. idra ftw,he's still there |
| #4 there was a foreign proteam in the past wasnt it ? the TODAy eStro was HEXATRON in the past with assem legionairre elky grrr the funny russian guy and some more ^^ |
| Ret will win ZvZ cuz it's hard to cheese in ZvZ and well it's FlaF playing xD |
| This Ret has just 1 shirt. i think he stinks :) |
| I remember draco talking about this too where he wasn't receiving respect. In idra's case wasn't it different as estro had daniel lee who was very accepting towards foreigners. Through him perhaps it was easier to gain the respect of the other players? I don't know as I wasn't there I am only making presumptions. What did he even do to get in a korean team? Did he go through the korean courage too or another method like nony? We still have respect for you learning a new mu and traveling to korea in attempt to achieve your dream. If they aren't showing you respect for all your efforts then they don't deserve your skill. |
| According to me it was a good experience for him to go to Korea, it didn't work out, so let it be. He has no reasons to stay longer if he doesn't feel confortable... WELCOME BACK IN EUROPE ;) |
| Very manner player, but i dont like the fact that ret doesnt show any passion towards the gaming with hes skill..kinda feels like another lost soul in foreign top players. But maby its better like this, if 3 weeks was hes " i gave it all ", maby its better that he comes home, seems like he cant handle the stress. Respect tho ~ #63 The thing is, if you give half of ur life to some game, and basically dream comes true, you go to THE country to compete and live your dream, wouldnt you want to actually GIVE IT ALL. Not just 3 weeks and im out, after 10 years of playing. Just a load of crap in my opinnion.. Nothing in life matters more than living ur dream, if it comes with a slight miss treating, live trough it..live ur dream. They will respect you eventually. Obviously the man up there gives the skill to wrong ppl somedays, this time to a person with no real passion. still respect for ret, but just feels like a load of crap. |
| #66: That must have been the stupidest comment I've ever seen. To you Ret: Please kick the Koreans in the nuts at courage Big cheers and supports from this Norwegian fella! |
| #66 you are wc3 player and you should be denied from posting in the bw section. You dont know what ret went through and you have no right to post anything against any sc player. You should be banned from life fag Note that i didnt read what you wrote nor do i care. But the fact that its denied only means its something a stupid troll would write. |
| This type of mentality is prevalent in any sector that is dominated by one race. The feeling of race superiority comes in whether you acknowledge it or not. |
| He talks too much. Maybe he will win something first? |
| Well, i don't wanna be rude but I think ret just suffer the way good player act with people they consider weaker than them. It's not the problem of korean / foreign. I don't know ret at all, and I don't wanna judge him, so I'm not saying it's his case, but everybody know that the greatest player of a community are usually bitches with noobs. When Ret, who was one of the greatest in foreign community, decided to move to korean, he decided to switch to another pool, where he had no title, no fame, etc. So, other players bitched about him, just like the greatest player of kazakstan bitch about the poor noob of India, even thought the greatest player of kazakstan suck. Not saying ret is noob, just saying he wasn't known, so they did not acknowledge him: that's the sadest thing about gamer's community, judging everyone by his achievements, even in a game like wow, where skill do not exist. And it's certainly not a pb of foreign / korea. |
| ... MANY Koreans are racist. Even towards their own ethnic brothers oversees/in another country. If I were to go back to South Korea and had forgotten Korean for the most part, I'd be treated the same way ret was. Also, ret can lose a couple of pounds to be around Koreans. I'm not saying that because of myself, but because in Korea, most people find being overweight a sign of laziness. If you're reading this ret, props to you. I'm just explaining Koreans from an Americanized Korean's pov. |
| #70. You troll too much. Maybe you need to grow some pubes first? |
| well, i think they treat white ppl as we treat female pro gamers, since they get attention only for their looks EXACTLY that would happen to an semi sucesseful white progamer, he would be getting attention he dont deserve skillwise so the player ignore him being realistic this same shit happen in every other country on this planet, someone not being able to speak the "right" language is not a the best conversation partner or friend IF u have an "better" not foreign alternative around u its hard to say HOW they ignored him, there are various way of being ignored, some are natural, some based on jealousy and some just mean to have that in mind could make easier for ret |
| i'm sure language was the highest barrier since not much koreans can speak eng. sorry abt that ret. if u were chinese or japanese, fans n some gamers would have cheered you. however, u're white and they are nervous and afraid to ever cheer u or whatever. Things would have been different if u could speak korean or at least know how koreans are like. *to those who say fuck korea - well shut up dudes. as if korean sports players get any respect from Whites or other Foreigners. To get respect when u're foreigner, YOU HAVE TO BE KICKING ASS that's all there is to it. |
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