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GosuGamer acts against TSL abusers
Posted by Mattias "Lord_of_Chaos" Ylander 2 years ago
No less than 15 players were caught and disqualified for abuse in the TSL ladder stage. Some of these were big, respected and known names. This is unacceptable, and GosuGamers bans them all for six months from all our events and rankings.
The first one to get caught was F91. When accused he admitted and the whole ordeal was handled well by his team Duskbin who immediately went out with an official apology through their manager, Ash.
After the ladder stage finished and TSL admins started to sort through the players' game lists, more names were soon discovered. Considering the high level names of these players this might be the biggest cheating scandal in foreign Brood War.
| Caught Cheaters | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Player | TSL "Rank" | |||||||||||||||||||||||
 Yosh | 5th* | |||||||||||||||||||||||
 Dimaga | 9th | |||||||||||||||||||||||
 Advocate | 17th* | |||||||||||||||||||||||
| Fraer | 19th | |||||||||||||||||||||||
 Reason | 20th | |||||||||||||||||||||||
| Mercury | 27th* | |||||||||||||||||||||||
| Pomi | 35th* | |||||||||||||||||||||||
 Sarens | 35th | |||||||||||||||||||||||
 RiboRibo | 43rd* | |||||||||||||||||||||||
| Vasilisk | 46th | |||||||||||||||||||||||
 aQp_JuanJo_O | 50th | |||||||||||||||||||||||
| aQp_JuaChi | 76th | |||||||||||||||||||||||
| HappyZerg | 88th | |||||||||||||||||||||||
 F91 | N/A** | |||||||||||||||||||||||
| Scan | N/A** | |||||||||||||||||||||||
There are far too many trusted and respected players on this list. Players like, for example, Yosh and Advocate were always believed to be above this. Yosh used to give lectures at the StarCraft classes of UC Berkely, now he is caught for cheating. For what? Almost all the players caught had the skill to take a top 48 placement with no sweat at all, and that is what makes all this so hard to understand. The most ironic one of them all is probably aQp_JuanJo_O, who if he had just played it straight would probably have ended up among the top 48 thanks to all the other cheaters. It is fascinating to see how many players were willing to break the rules with so little gain, just because they believed they would not be caught.
However, TL.net staff has done a tremendously good job searching through matchlists and trying to find out cheaters. GosuGamers applaudes this work, and trust in TL.net's good judgement. Therefore each and everyone of the caught cheaters above are banned for six months as none of them have been caught before (Vasilisk was caught in the ICCup purge, but that list was not deemed trustworthy enough). They have not map hacked, therefore they do not face the normal one year ban, but they have actively cheated in a $20,000 tournament which cannot go unpunished. If they are caught for any form of abuse in the future they will be facing life bans.
Some people will think this is too harsh, some will think it is too lenient. But this is the decision GosuGamers staff has come to.
GosuGamers has also decided to release TT1 from his ban. He has stayed clean for a long time and will now be allowed to play and take part in GosuGamers events and rankings again.
*These ranks are calculated from the ladder score their accounts had at the end of the season, counting against this list (including its cheaters).
**Ending score not available
| Links |
| TeamLiquid.net - TSL Official Forums |
| TeamLiquid.net - TL.net Announcement |
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| u Guys, just stop it. Cause they did just abuse the ladder. Thats all.. |
| #37 they didn't hack.... they cheated/broken rules all these players either got some freewins or played against TSL accounts with a smurf. |
| Solid actions taken here. Banning these players is a neccesary evil to make sure this type of abuse does not happen again. |
| Unexpected... |
| fuck i love AbY |
| what's to stop players from playing themselves via proxy (different IP) or multiple accounts? yosh  |
| This can be a good advise for organizers of other tournaments with cash prizes - not to allow this players get in. A small lie is on the way to a bigger one. When it's all about big money you may not hear your conscience. |
| sad :( but necesary, good decison ggnet yay for TT1 :) |
| makes me wonder why u ban me 1year for playing WCG Usa and u ban them 6months for cheating in TSL as far as im concerned its the same kind of cheating in a "large prizepool tournament" lil admind who cant punish // treat all players same sad |
| good decision by gg.net and the right one. |
| i think most of the players like Yosh A2 Dimaga Sarens Reason deserve to be banned because they are retarded not because they cheated. Cheating when you basicly have no need for its so stupid. |
| What about those who didn't get caught? ^_^ I'm against this 6 month ban.. Imho gg.net has nothing to do with TSL.. I mean if a soccer player is sent off in an european game he will still be able to play the next match for the (country) league. So this makes no sense to me.. They didn't use hacks so I think this punishment is unresonable. |
| OMG I've never expected such "justice" from gg.net (for me the most kind and polite sc world portal). What have YOU done? This is not your business I think, or gg.net is the subordinate of tl.net? What is fraer or happyzerg banned for? For the games they logged by another id and lost to their teammate? Go catch the players who helped to abuse other banned gamers! Go catch the mass-abusers of TSL1 ! Oh what? Nobody knew TSL1 was mass-abused? Damned guys... nice christmas gift... |
| #62 This is a reaction of the certain part of the community. If they think this is unacceptable - it's their decision. |
| Ahh im so happy that im so great player who never hack or do anything wrong... |
| Bad mistake from GG.net. They abused the ladder in a competition, they didn't use hacks or anything else. Being dq from the competition is enough of a punishment. |
| VGJ |
| "how do you cheat in multiplayer? is it possible? i thought you can only do it in single player?" made my day LOOOOOOL |
| OMG you guys making a monster from a retarded fish. They got cought, and banned from TSL, It's quite enough penalty don't u think? The better thing could be that they add their abuser points and after the ladder stage they could take theese points away or as a penalty 2xmore points could have been take away from theese players, but nevermind they got banned, It's hardly enough. BTW if we talk about abusers, we can't find a gamer who didn't msg his friends or msg'd first the players who they could kill easily. And it's so disgusting that you making jokes with MorroW and the whole gosugamers crew rooting for him while he is one of the bigges abusers, just read how u wrote about morrow in the TSL reports, and how u talk about theese guys... pathetic off: Ya and about TSL report.. haha ye at the end "IT's not a surprise that sziky reached top12". Well, you didn't write about him before just after we told you that hey, we wan't to hear more words from him, and other gamers like killer, not just about MorroW and idrA. So well YOU GUYS were very surprised that he got into top12 as I see :-P |
| i think that they don't give a shit if they are in the ggnet rankings or not. After all its not so big deal. Dunno how much money tournaments ggnet is hosting in the 6 months. That is the only problem for the players who were caught. Haven't heard from anything big from ggnet though. a2 and yosh gonna have smaller jajis now T_t |
| This is a most regrettable decision by gg.net. but they have actively cheated in a $20,000 tournament which cannot go unpunished These players were DISQUALIFIED FROM A 23K TOURNEY. That is the PUNISHMENT. That is more punishment than ggnet can ever dish out. They've been punished. That is the ultimate deterrent. What are you guys doing? What is this "cannot go unpunished" nonsense? |
| They cheated in a $20,000 tournament. That is not acceptable, no matter how little. The reason they are banned 6 months instead of standard 1 year is because it was not maphack or anything major. The difference between Mexican Terran and these players would be that their actions (caught or not caught) would not have damaged the tournament as much as Terran's actions hurt WCG USA (coupled with bad organisation from WCG USA). The reason we are acting from a TL.net run event: We also run our own events, we run our own database. We do not wish to spend time, effort and resources on these players in the close future as they have shown they do not deserve it and are not trustworthy enough. #63, of course we know TSL1 was abused like TSL2. However, it is hard to punish cheaters who avoided capture, don't you think? If you have any suggestions on how to deal with cheaters who are not yet caught, I'm sure that would be greatly apreciated by the community as a whole. Perhaps you should turn your critisism and scrutiny at your own team instead. What about those who didn't get caught? Seriously, why are people asking this? They are as much deserving of punishment and the anger of the mob as these players. Please inform us of who they are and we will act immediatly. @Aby, they did have a chance to apologize. When they were found out and disqualified. They didn't take it. Neither did anyone offer a proper explanation as to why this happend it abuse was not involved. The reason they did not do this? Because there is no other explanation than this: Abuse. We do not unban hackers after a few months. Minimum for hacking is one year, even for just getting caught in one game with a hack program turned on. Second time you get caught is a life time ban. We have not unbanned a single maphacker after less than a full year, and never will. Perhaps they don't care about our rankings and events, but this is the only action GG.net can take against these players. If we could do more, we would. |
| #71 when a thing that you have stole is returned to it's owner doesn't mean you won't try to steal something esle. Attempt to steal is the same as stealing. The punnishment of so well known players is an example for others not to try to do this. |
| #73 What is your point? That they will do this again? Great let's everyone hold a conference and perma-ban them from all SCBW activities. As for setting an example. That is great idea. But, there is nothing GGnet can do at this point that will surpass or own up to the example TL has made of these guys. |
| lol noobs, so sad. |
| #74 Are you sure they won't? so bet on this. Read my prevous comments to see my opinion. |
| Hum this is a really bad decision ! I mean, banned from TSL is already a bad decision because all those players are top european players and without abuse they would even success to qualify in top 48. Now in RO48 it stays some good players... and much more not really great compared to abusers, so the show will not be as fun as it would be... I think the correct decision would have been to make penalities for each match abuse. For example, 1 player got 1 match abuse = -200 pts. And also TSL admin would write a new rules for those players : SAVE ALL YOU REPLAY in all the next league/tournament that would happen. And what about GG.NET decision ? So bad too..... Really really bad. SC 2 will come, and with banning all thoses great players from events, all events become uninteresting... GG.NET would use the same rules as TSL (wich i talk just before, about replays) and it would be ok. Now this is just my opinion, don't blame me ! :p |
| #76 Exactly as I said in previous post. If you think they will do it again, then perma-ban from all future SCBW activities. You can't presume future guilt. Ever. |
| #78 So what do all that guys in prisons doing? Shoot them! wtf? I hoped to see better arguments from you. |
| It is a great dicision, and some of these retarded comments just makes me sick.. Alot of players really fought hard and honest for their spot and chance to attend in this awesome tournament, their chance to see how far their hard work can get them in a fight between the absolute foreign bw-elite. but then it's seems okey for some douches to go the easy way by just giving themselves freewins, how can u see that goes unpunished? like DQ'ed from the tournament would count as punished? Like it's none of GG.net buisiness? It's not just about TSL but the whole bw community and imo gg.net are a great part of that:) |
| What is kinda disappointing is that 4 players of RoX cheated in the TSL and there's still nothing like a statement of the team. |
| #74 the thing about cheating is that they believed they could get away with it. the followup is that myself ive lost trust for these gamers hell ive even lost trust for entire RoX, they used to be my favorite top clan but now i didnt let them have observers in our game, why? because these players have proven to me that if they have a chance to cheat, they are probably going to take it. getting caught cheating and getting punishment doesnt mean they will learn their lesson, i think most of them just learned that they will have to be better at it the next time #79 are you comparing killing somebody with banning somebody from the ggnet server? |
| Why do you judge them gg.net? Who is that staff wich made such verdict? Maybe it's better to put all the community to vote for it? Cause your decision is too objectively... |
 OXO abusers vs newbies my sKiLL GOSU !!!  |
#82 I compared lifeban for the first abusement catching with killing for the first crime. just rhetorical question  |
| #32 and #33 So Right #65 <3 Ptak |
| #79 That's your argument you are arguing against - I made that clear with the conditional clause "if...,then". I've already pointed out in my first post(as others have, too) that they've received the maximum punishment by DQ'd from a 23K tourney, THE foreign tourney, TSL2 - hope I made that clear enough for those with reading comprehension problems. You guys repeat over and over even from the original post that they haven't been punished, that it's going unpunished, that it's not ok, not acceptable as if you are taking the initiative here. You are not. They've been punished. You guys are not adding anything of value to TL's actions. |
| #82 Truly. It is a very sad thing. And I think the real sentiment here is "sadness" and not anger or righteous indignation as some people like to play it. And sure, some have already cheated in a more clever way while others will pursue it in the future. Others will just spend more time dodging. Then we will have abusers, dodgers, and a few great players. Wait... Edit: Or I guess as Idra would put it, "Cheaters", "Abusers", and a few great players... - like we have today. |
| #87 absolutely right. And one more thing. If tl.net (not gg.net) is gonna make some new costable event in a period less then 6 months, all banned persons may take part in it! Cause they havent been banned for 6 months on tl.net. What an absurdity! |
| #89 Agreed. We all know guys did it for the big money. And we all know it is wrong, regardless. And congrats on making group K! |
| I agree with gg.net. For them this punishment is probably not going to be important, but it still shows that what they did is wrong and they should not do it again. For those who say getting banned from TSL is enough punnishment. This is just nonsense: Imagine this situation: player X (lets call it Joe) wants to participate in TSL qualifiers, but doesn't have the skill to get in the top48. So Joe decides to cheat to get into the top48. Now two things can happen, Joe gets caught or Joe doesn't get caught: If Joe gets caught: Joe gets banned from TSL. Doesn't matter since he wouldn't be able to qualify anyway. Joe doesn't get caught: He qualifies by cheating. Either way, Joe doesn't have anything to lose by cheating! Now to those who say that it's bad to ban them because they are such great players. Do you really want to pardon cheating because a players is good? If at all, they should get more punished because they didn't even need to cheat! They cheated because they could and assumed they wouldn't get caught. It's sad to see that so many people don't understand this... |
good job  |
| a very good decision. Nice work gg.net proud of you guys <3 |
| Marwin maybe you don't understand something..... It is their website, and it is their database that they coded. They have every right to ban anyone they deem unworthy of their products. You act like they are banning these players from every event out there....thats not the case. They are simply saying you do NOT deserve to use our products or our software or compete in our tournaments. If they took the time and effort to make it all, then they fully have the right to decide who gets to use it. PERIOD |
| I think this guys really don't care about gg.net rankings and events. |
| #95 as long as they get banned from some money tournaments i am sure they will ... ps: marwin better let rox make a statment then acting here like whole rox is cheater friendly place ... |
| OMG finally out of gg.net jail a thank you goes out to the staff for their decision |
| This a good decision on gosugamers part. It might not be absolutely significant to the players but it shows that the community is not gonna accept cheaters. I applaud whoever made this decision. |
| ahah i dont know why im happy for tt1,, he didnt make nothing lol |
| #97 lol i specifically remember that you didn't care .. :D :D :D anyways GLHF |
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