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| Blogs \ Boots of Travel "remake" |
  The_13abyKnight
@ 31st August 2010 09:38 (Read 4374 times).
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Hello everyone, This is my first blog here on gg.net and I would like to talk a little bit about BoT (Boots of Travel). As you are all probably aware of, Treads has become more and more used lately and people rarely get Travels. If you want movement speed, you usually get phase boots because it's cheaper and because you get other small bonuses as well. Now, I think this trend of getting Power Treads on almost every hero, started when IceFrog changed the Treads so that you could swap between 10 str/agi/int. This function makes it so that you can get more out of your bottle (->agi while you bottle up), get more HP on supporters, and quickly change it around if you need a little bit of mana to stun someone. I don't think the change on Treads were wrong, to be honest I really like the change, and I feel like Phase Boots are still viable in some situations. That leaves BoT out in the cold, see, in the old days you would usually get this item for carry heroes. Now it's just not worth it anymore, instead people go for Treads in the beginning (e.g. on Nevermore) because you feel like you need the extra strength from Treads to survive in the early phase of the game! If you get to a certain point in a game, you might sell your Treads and get BoT, but that does not happen that often anymore. I think I might have a solution for this "problem", and it is nor a nerf nor a buff for any of the three items mentioned earlier! BoT just needs a little readjustment, a "rework" if you like. So, here is my idea for a whole new way of building Boots of Travel! You will need boots (500g) then instead of having to buy the old recipe (2200g) already, you instead should be able to buy two sets of improving recipes for the boots (you can buy either of these first!). One of these should be to improve the movement speed of your hero, the other one should be the ability to teleport just like you can do it now with BoT. The cost of these two sets of upgrades should all in all be the same as the recipe from before. This would mean, that if you are playing SF or Mirana and you know you are getting BoT's later on, instead of saving up 2200 you could buy either the ability to teleport or the movement speed first, and then upgrade it once more later in the game. Or let's say you are playing Puck and you don't need the extra movement speed, you could just buy the teleport, and then maybe when you have no itemslot left, you could upgrade the speed of BoT. I think the movement speed upgrade should cost about 1000 gold and the teleport upgrade should cost about 1200 gold (the numbers can be readjusted of course). What do you guys think of this idea? I would like some constructive feedback, tell me why you like/dislike the idea! Over n out. |
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| Go to PlayDotA.com and post this there as a suggestion. There you will get a nice feedback for it. Here it will be soon dump material. If you dont want to copy paste it to here: http://www.playdota.com/forums/remakes/ , I could do it by giving you all credits. But I guess you can use 1-2 mins of your spare time to do it! BtT: The idea is really nice ! But might be too imba on heroes like Tinker. There you should disable the TP rearm unless he has the full recipe. |
| I like the idea of the teleport upgrade. Imagine having a 'teleport stone' which can be bought for 1.2k gold. This acts just like a TP scroll however this is reusable and has a CD just like BoT. It gives no stats or bonuses, just the ability to teleport and can be combined later on to make BoT. |
| cool idea..but for some reasons i think some heroes would become imba.. |
| i like your idea... |
| Its a good idea, but i think it would be better if you're only able to upgrade it to BoT when u got the first upgrade (the movement speed thingy thing). Coz BoT would be useless when you're able to upgrade Boots of Speed in a teleporting boot without the extra movement speed, so when that happens players would ignore the movement speed upgrade, rather they would directly buy the teleport upgrade. Its a very nice idea, Baby, and you're my idol :)) |
Nice.. cool idea.  |
| Sry for double post, internet is shitty today... |
| Nice idea. If not lowering the total cost of the present recipe - then your idea is just as good. I love BoTs so IceFrog should change and I think he will in the next update concerning that item. |
| And in addition to my OPINION, i think it would be better if players are not able to buy the teleport upgrade when they haven't bought the movement speed upgrade. Because if they're able to buy the teleport upgrade thingy already it would appear like a CHEAP Boots of Travel :), and thus players would ignore the movement speed upgrade. This is only based on my opinion ofcourse. |
| there is nothing much to talk about it anyways,the concept is good,it need's a change,because i miss the old times when BoT's > no stat PT's. since i remember playing SF before,getting a BoT was a primary before blink-_-,in now days my shadow fiend goes for a bottle-pt- bkb/blink/manta depends on the game. Thumbs up for the idea.if you post it on that playdota.com shit,ill be glad to review it for you and add a Thumb up. +1 from me. |
| 10+ 1 Give us your ideas bout that :))) |
| I think you should make the Independent-teleport Item more expensive than 1200 (Maybe 1400-1700? I don't know). Plus, I think the +speed bonus item should be the recipe of the BoT. BoT: Teleport Thingy: 1400 (?) Boots of Speed: 500 Recipe of BOT: 350(?) Total: 2350 (?) Here, its much more expensive than the previous BoT BUT you can use the Infinite teleport much faster than when you try to aim for BoT. If you want the Teleport-Item thingy to be cheap, you can make the cd longer than BOT to balance it out. This way, a ganker like lion that solo mid can farm its 10 minute dagger THEN proceed to farm for the teleporting-thingy item thru ganking heroes thus promoting more ganking and action. Thumbs up on the general idea. Kinda needs some balancing here and there but it would work. |
| 1400 is too cheap .. trust me but well i cannot think any better idea and i think solo hero can farm 1400 in about 5 mins .. that would become imba |
| DaT WuD Be iMBa! btw +1 on #12 but in my opinion: Teleport Thingy: 1700 (?) Boots of Speed: 500 Recipe of BOT: 200(?) Total: 2400 (?) it would be better i think |
| hes obvious trolling around. This idea is stupid and OP. Hi my name is Tinker and i have this teleport item after 5 min. #16 ofc u can, you can skill it lvl 6 if u can have perma tp after 5-6 min its imba.. And yes you can be lvl 6 after 5-6 min. |
| #15 u didnt think that at 5 minutes,u can't have REARM already. even if you do your a noob. |
| really nice idea, i liked it the only problem is tinker, cuz this would be a huge buff for him imo, mb if tinker couldn't be able to buy only the teleporter upgrade (and need to buy both, 1000 + 1200) it would be better |
| Lower the bot recipe cost from 2.200 to 1.600 (or something similar) = gg |
| #OP How about there are 2 upgrades but like this: (you cannot take the 2nd upgrade 1st) 1st Upgrade. Gives the speed bonus of old BoT (costs 800 gold) 2nd Upgrade: Adds teleport (costs 1200, same stats on teleport as the old one) Total cost: 2500 You suggested that you can choose what recipe you want. I say buy boots upgrade once for speed bonus and upgrade once again if you want the teleport. This prevents imbalances (tinker) and buffs the item a bit (-200 gold and the upgrade tweak). |
| How about this: Boots: 500 Teleport upgrade: 1000 (teleports like scroll, so only teleport to buildings) speed:800 Recipe: 400 BOT will still be the same (can teleport to buildings and units). |
| Best thing: If anyone else posted this, it would get ignored |
| Tweaking bot is necessary given its limited usage in current meta game. However, I think that anything less than 1500 for the travel ability is a bit overpowered. Slight tweaks in the numbers are required, but i like this idea very much. |
| Another thing which could make you buy the BoT is just a lower cooldown |
| There would be no reason to ever get the speed upgrade really. Maybe do it so when u just have the tp upgrade, the tp cd is 90-120s, but when u combine the 2 it is 60 like it is currently. Also, #12, that is cheaper than current BoT, current BoT costs 2700. |
| nvrmind |
| I kinda like this, but I think you should have to buy movement speed first, always. Then maybe you can buy teleport, for something around 2.2k or something? Edit: Or how about, boots for something like 500. And then you can buy like, tp scrolls for 135gold or something. And if you want and need it you can upgrade to a "Boots of the traveler" that gives you massive ms and the ability to teleport to towers and units? |
| BoT lvl 1 (cost 500 +750= 1250) -Gives you the extra ms BoT lvl 2 (cost 500+ 750 +750=2000) -Gives you extra MS + free tps to *Buildings* Bot lvl 3 (cost 500 + 750 +750 + 750=2750) <-- 50 more cost than old bots -Gives you extra ms +free tps to Buildings & *Units* My thoughtz DF |
| I dont think that global teleporting which scales incredibly well into the lategame and enables new farm dimensions should be easier accessible. |
| http://www.playdota.com/forums/297910/%5Bremake%5D-boots--travel--13abyknight/ Added to PlayDotA with some changes already. |
| Boots + dagger = BoT simple as dat gg all |
| i like the idea with upgradeable BoT, and as baby said, bot is being used less these days |
| #31 I like this idea!!! |
| #31 ? no, i don't think so |
| #31 would need a recipe atleast. Otherwise u cant have boots + kelen on chars like ES. |
| Well, i think making BoT more attractive somehow would be nice, its too unpopular, so i'm with you on that; perhaps you could buy the move speed for 1100gold first time you buy the recipe, and the teleport next 1100gold, thereby providing a bonus earlier so you aren't gimped that much? edit: Ever since tp was introduced in sideshops, phase boots and power treads have been more viable, the long grind for the recipe being lessened in difficulty problably wouldn't make BoT an item on every hero, the bonuses on the other items is still significant, with emphasis on early-mid game. |
| nice idea ! |
| why do you need bot when u have instant teleport already, I think the movement speed part of bot isnt that significant. although the teleport idea is good, saves energy buying tp all the time |
| why dont make this teleport thingy have charges ? let say 1 tp scroll is 135 gold. then this teleport thingy cost 1400 gold and have 10 charges. every time u tp the charge depleted by 1. every time u buy new tp scroll, the charge added by 1. its like buying 10 tp scroll in 1 item. make it like town portal piggybank. just my opinion though -------------------------------------------- for the movement speed maybe ice could create speed boots recipe cost shld be around 500-800. it adds 20ms or 25ms. this speed boots + teleport piggybank = BoT. |
| I like how non competitive PD is One guy is like ITS PERFECTLY FINE LOLKKKKKKKKKK |
| Just lower the cost and take 10 secs off the cooldown (to make it better than a TP). Anything else would create too much imbalance. I like the general idea though. |
| lower cooldown + lower casting time is enough |
| I think this would make game more hard, more strategical opportunities and not imba, because everyone can buy it themselves. Definitely more pressure in the game. +1 like e: was also thinking about boots: 500 BoT speed: 1400-1700 BoT travel: 400-600 |
| #20 is correct in that you should have to buy the movement speed first in order to get the teleport since being able to get the teleport straight away is extremely imbalanced #28's idea is great and I love it since it scales perfectly, if you don't want to scroll up I'll repeat it: 500 gold - boots 750 gold - BoT recipe 1 - gives you 95 movespeed 750 gold - BoT recipe 2 - gives you scroll of townportal like teleport (to buildings that is) 750 gold - BoT recipe 3 - gives you current BoT's at 50 gold higher price but since it builds up more nicely and you can decide to stop upgrading it at anytime it's still balanced. This would not make TP scrolls obsolete it would make all boots equally viable (except perhaps phase boots which would no longer be the cheapest speed although they are still useful for some heroes) Also supports would benefit from this since they could get fast very early allowing them to gank more effectively early game and then they could save money on tp scrolls and spend more on wards. All in all a great idea which I think should be implemented asap. |
| I like the idea. And as many already said, just make it so that tinker has to buy the whole recipe. |
| I am not too convinced, if anything you should need to get the Speed-up before the Travel-up. Or just lower the cost for the BoT we got now. And about Tinker, add that Re-arm wont re-arm itself until you get lvl 2 of it. (on lvl 1 it got 30-60s cd or something). |
| well what if bot is changed totally? like bot gives u + movement speed +teleporting ability +phase boots ability(to burst speed at once) the recepie for the new bot should be phaseboots(1400)+recepie(1000)=2400 it will be great f BoT is made from phaseboots and plus carrys will get damage bonus in early game with phase boots this will begin a new era of phaseboots vs threads |
| I always get BoT on carries over PT eaven for void. Farm power > 10 stats anyway... for stats u can use wand/pms/urn... But when u have a bad game better pick up treads. |
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