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mrsoada

Things you will miss about HoN (12155 reads, 24 replies, 9 months ago)

Like many of you, I plan on dropping HoN completely once DotA 2 comes out. If you don't, I don't really care. This isn't a troll thread. Don't come in here telling me why I am a noob/idiot/naive optimist/etc.

With that being said, these are the things I will miss most/want to see in DotA 2:

1. Selling items anywhere on map. In DotA, most players just drop GG branches because going to a shop to sell them is more trouble than its worth.
2. Selling back items for full price within a few seconds if you accidentally buy.
3. DEADWOOD
4. Sol's Bulwark
5. Sol's Bulwark on Deadwood
6. Clicking on a hero brings up a miniportrait on the right of the screen, no losing control of your hero.
7. Easy shopping, you can make recipe items with just 1 click. Made the game much simpler. In DotA I mapped every shop to a hotkey and all the must-buy items to their own hotkey. And still with my dexterous fingers it took 4 seconds to make a mekansm
8. Courier drops all items on you. Again, did away with an annoying WC engine limitation
9. All games played have saved replays for 90 days. I don't think even valve can do this, they will have millions of games daily. Being able to download Merlini's/Chu's/Busca's replays was just awesome.
10. Picking heroes before game starts.. You get a lot less retarded teams this way.

I am assuming IceValve is going to fix up some pretty obvious things, like the terrible UI DotA has, which is just a result of being restrained by the WC3 engine. Also assuming they will be able to fix pathing to make blink dagger useable on Pudge/VS and make Luna's bounce work with half the items in the game. I'm also assuming they will have easy to program hotkeys. Honestly, Q-W-E-R-T for abilities, and having ALT + Q/W/E/A/S/D for items is 100x better than having to memorize awkwardly positioned hotkeys around your keyboard. Also, leaver protection is an obvious one, but I think they should be more strict. Something like 3% leaves and you are locked out of leaver protected games. I also think reconnecting has been confirmed, but I'm not sure.

Things I will not miss:
1. Public players being terrible in general, even though hon pubs are at least twice as good as their DotA counterparts.
2. A dying competitive scene. There are 15 players that make up HoN's competitive scene, and none that get me excited in the least.
3. Imbalanced new heroes. Either they sucked or were too good.

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9 months ago

IFTGIH

Only thing im gonna miss about hon, is waiting for dota2 while playing it

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9 months ago

mrsoada

I hope Merlini/H4nn1/Chu/N0tail make the switch to dota 2. But I really don't see any big names staying in HoN.

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9 months ago

MEZTERHANEZ

1. Public players being terrible in general, even though hon pubs are at least twice as good as their DotA counterparts.

if you play in high ihl's dota pub is basically more exciting than HoN 2000+ MMR

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poega

What makes you think people are gonna be better at dota 2 ?

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Yakazor

No whine from midlane because of 00:00 runes :o

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S_SienZ (Senior Editor HoN)

2011-08-07 02:12, MEZTERHANEZ wrote:
1. Public players being terrible in general, even though hon pubs are at least twice as good as their DotA counterparts.

if you play in high ihl's dota pub is basically more exciting than HoN 2000+ MMR

You do realise that by definition High IHL =/= Pub right?

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Nymphora

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Aktive

I miss lycan port

morde es #1 huehuehuehuehuehue

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mrsoada

2011-08-07 21:52, poega wrote:
What makes you think people are gonna be better at dota 2 ?

It isn't just some random custom map on WC3. The mindset of a lot of public DotA players was, "DotA? Oh yeah I play that along with tower defense and footmen frenzy. I'm super pro." I played DXD on USW for years, and it often took 15 minutes to get a HALFWAY decent game going. Now with HoN, I just load up MM and because I am 1700+, most games are decent, as in I am matched with people of my skill level more often. 1400 players should play with 1400 players. 1900 players with 1900 players. But when a 1900 gets paired with a 1400? That is a waste of a game for the 1900 player.

The first few weeks of DotA 2 will be terrible, I already know. So my focus is to just get my rating up and get lucky in matchmaking.

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ephi

I can already see all the tears in Dota 2 forums if Valve decides not to add certain Hon features.

Playing without MP bars on or having heroes with shitty hotkeys (both deliberate decissions by Icefrog in Dota) are almost game breaking for me.

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mrsoada

Well that's the thing. To play DotA competitively you need a good three or more separate programs. You need a hotkey remapper (even if you like having to press random ass keys all over your keyboard, you still need to be able to use your items). You need Ventrillo or some other voice chat. You need Garena or something similar because no one plays on battle.net. A banlist program comes in handy. The game's formula is so painfully outdated, I just don't understand why rabid dota fanboys don't want it to change.

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ephi

I'm talking about deliberate decissions. Not having a voicechat system or having an awful lobby system aren't Icefrog's decissions, but having retarded hotkeys and not displaying MP bars (not 100% sure on that one) are Icefrog's decissions, and if nobody in Valve can convince him to change those decissions, they will transfer to Dota 2 for sure.

Im sure there are even more examples of deliberate decissions that are just plain stupid and counter intuitive, but it's been 2 years without playing any Dota and tbh I can't recall them.

Honestly, I think Valve will do an amazing work with Dota 2, but their chances of failing are incredibly high (Hon, which at first was a Dota clone, was disliked by lots of people for aesthetic reasons and for gameplay reasons aswell, porting a game is quite a task), and I'm 100% sure Dota 2 won't please every single Dota player, much less every single Hon player.

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mrsoada

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XDCX

DW, nymph, myrmidon, bombadier and my jungle keeper lol
also that Sol's Bulwark

woo! :P

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#17

XDCX

2011-08-09 07:56, ephi wrote:
I'm 100% sure Dota 2 won't please every single Dota player, much less every single Hon player.

nuff said.

woo! :P

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mrsoada

Honestly, I just want a healthy competitive scene and balance at this point. I really only see that happening under icefrog. Only a few key things will guarantee me dropping HoN:

1. Completely redone UI/Shop
2. Options for custom hotkeys
3. Strong replay system. This is really where HoN shines. I hope Icefrog and his crew can implement it early in the Beta
4. Better courier system

and 5. Obviously a good competitive scene. Unless Valve + Icefrog completely fucks up Dota 2, I doubt pros will keep playing DotA 1.

I can get used to anything else, even pointless remnants of a WC3 system. I can just act like an entitled brat on their forums until they change stuff around, like everyone else on the balance section of playdota.

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Fr3akad3ll3

manabars are not included into wc3, you need a seperate programm for it as well (DZ for example) so it was not icefrogs decision and the hotkeys are not all on the same keys because a long time ago DotA was just a wc3 mod and almost all spells were taken from original wc3, so they left the hotkeys the way they were ...

but i play with the standart hotkeys just with inventory keys out of num pat and im used to it, i hope there will be a menu where you can chooste the hotkeys the way you like it (original keys, qwer or individual)

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SouL.SeiZeR.omG

Dont worry icefrog can now rename dota 2 to HoN 2 coz he is just retsrted money lover... -.- So i will stick in spirit of DotA coz thats the game i rly love to play not some crap Dota 2 shit... So just all HoN go play Dota 2 i will not, just like many, many of dota players... For some of us DotA is lifestile but dota 2 to me is just clearly shit! Good luck with dota 2...

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