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#1 allelsefails

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Posted 13 June 2012 - 09:42 AM

I stumbled upon Slesh's insights on the current form of the Chinese dota 2 teams at JD.

Originally Posted by jD.Slesh
You are most kind to say so, although I do not want to compare myself to Godz/Ryze.
I believe not a single Chinese team has shown all their potential so far, so I will just quickly summarize my thoughts on each.

Ehome: Huge potential, but no experienced carry player. Possibly the most aggressive Chinese team. X!!'s and LaNm's individual skill in insane, for anyone that has not watched the most recent Ehome-AL game - watch it. KingJ pales in comparison to other major carry players though, not because of his farming, but because of late-game decision making, in which Ehome tends to fail.

DK: In contrast to Ehome the one with the best defense in the world. A team that is frustrating to play against, because even if you have a 20k gold lead, they still manage to keep themselves in the game somehow. Not to say they are bad early-mid, on the contrary they tend to favour 5-man pushes with Pugna/DK and the likes.

IG: If they can set aside their egos....then they can be immensely strong. Currently, they only have 1 dedicated support player in Faith (who btw does an OUTSTANDING job each game). And even Faith used to be a carry player for Tyloo before that. YYF, Chuan, Zhou, 430 are all players that want position 1-2, which is the main reason why they have not reached the success of old CCM.

LGD: No real star in the team aside from Xiao8, a young an inexperienced carry in Sylar, but great teamwork. Always seem to underperform at LANS though (weird weird decisions), therefore I would judge them the "weakest" of the 5 atm.

TongFu: Displayed their strength during the East Qualifier, but any team consisting of ex-Panda/Tyloo players is strong. Hao tends to be ultra aggressive on his carry hero though, if he can limit his reckless diving ala Crystal-Style, they are 1 of the top contenders (Permaganking Mu seems to be the only counter to TF atm).

Still, 2.5 months is a long long time. But each Chinese team has their weaknesses, and whoever overcomes those has the best bet of taking the 1 million dollars. If TI2 would be today, I would put my money on Ehome. I am 100% certain they have more strategies and lineups prepared than all of the other 4 Chinese teams combined.


I think of all posts I've read, Slesh's opinion is the most convincing
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Posted 13 June 2012 - 10:07 AM

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Posted 13 June 2012 - 10:19 AM

it's good but not perfect.

ehome: i sort of agree about kingj's inability to compete with china's best carries but ehome's late-game decision-making is not the problem. their defeats are usually decided by the 15-20 min mark because of bad draft/laning.

dk: i agree. in a slump atm but nothing they can't deal with come ti2

ig: here i disagree most. a few months ago, what he said was true, but this problem seems to have been resolved. we'll have to see what they pull off against zenith, but from some scrims and a limited sample size of games i see chuan/yyf playing really well in position 3/4. of course, every game faith plays is near flawless.

lgd: no real star...but some damn good players. yao, ddc, xiao8, heck even sylar is one of those carries who almost never let a team down. i don't think the LAN statement will hold much relevance in ti2, if it is even true in any sense.

tongfu: hao's carrying is insane. he is, in current form, incomparable with crystal, and possibly china's best dota2 carry atm. permaganking mu means sansheng and hao destroy you.


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Posted 13 June 2012 - 11:11 AM

One thing to add is that one of DK's strengths compared to the rest of the teams is their team structure, with players who specialise at each role. As a result, they know exactly what they are supposed to do individually in every game. In DK, Burning is sole 1, Super/RotK in 2/3 as well as solo, and LongDD/Zippo in 4/5. This is in contrast to Ehome with no hard carry and iG, which lacks an additional natural support.

From my observations, DK's main weakness, is a lack of a good strategist. This also appears to be a weakness of the Chinese teams in general, as none of them has a strategist on par with DC, who strutted his stuff behind Ehome in 2010. The best Chinese strategist today, imo, is Luo.
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Posted 13 June 2012 - 11:24 AM

#3 Faith is renowned in the scene as a brilliant strategist.
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Posted 13 June 2012 - 11:31 AM

Hao The chinese Pajkatt.
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Posted 13 June 2012 - 12:09 PM

I wish luck to all chinese teams at TI2...they will need it against m5, navi and clg =D

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Posted 13 June 2012 - 12:19 PM

putting my money on EHOME
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Posted 13 June 2012 - 12:42 PM

I have a feeling IG would turn into something monstrous. No weird picks. Maybe some strategies to counter some line ups, and a some serious outplay.
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Posted 13 June 2012 - 01:50 PM

About IG: What he's saying would apply 4 months ago, not now. Problem solved.

Ehome: Yes, it's known that they need a carry and good supports.

LGD: Totally disagree, always has constant performance on LANs. Sylar is sick.

TF: Just gank Mu. True that!

DK: Needs more time.
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