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#1 Alby87

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 05:06 PM

Dont wanna start another useless post on a simple game.

but did u se how much axe is viable??????????
one of the most underplayed hero in the hystory of the last 2 years of dota.
and thats means much or how stupid is the definition of the METAGAME is.
i dont wanna say that now every games axe should be picked.
but he can be the surprise pick that shock the enemy tactic and bring u to victory.
Like zenith do in this game.

i remember the first time magina was bring effecctivly in a competitive game.
it was in the era of medusa domination. (coz mana shield ofc)
and if i am not wrong lgd vs mym in some wdc or smm.
and dont tell me that magina was out of the metagame coz it was buffer than now.
or i can say pudge... bring like a joke by dendi in ESWC and now its a common surprise pick that if played well (ok its hard) destroy the early-mid game.

same as leshrac...... didnt see him for long time... then played correctly by one team (if im not wrong old M5) and now..... perma-ban/pick in almost every game.

and Krobe? in the last month i see her quite often and always with a good result...

i think one of the most underestimate hero is warlock. damn, fatal bond *** and his infernal with recent scepter upgrade is really hard to purge. and btw i really dont understand why teams dont pick him as last pick when enemy lineup have no realiable diffusial-carry. not to mention his push power..

i think the Metagame is just an opinion of who dont understand how much dota is flexible and deep

Sorry for english ;)
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Posted 07 June 2012 - 05:14 PM

6.73 - Aghanim's Culling Blade cooldown from 10 to 6
6.73 - Base Int from 14 to 18
6.73 - Base HP regeneration from 1.25 to 2
6.73 - Battle Hunger gives Axe a 4% bonus movement speed per target it affects
6.73 - Berserker's Call cooldown from 14 to 10
6.73 - Counter Helix damage increased from 100/125/150/175 to 100/130/160/190
6.73 - Counter Helix proc cooldown decreased from 0.7/0.65/0.6/0.55 to 0.65/0.6/0.55/0.5
6.73 - If Culling Blade kills a unit, Axe unleashes a war cry, giving nearby allied units (600 AoE) a temporary
6.73 - movement bonus (25% for 6 seconds).
6.72d - Base HP regeneration from 1 to 1.25
6.72 - Battle Hunger rescaled from 15/17/25/33 to 15/21/27/33 damage per second
6.72 - Base HP regeneration increased from 0.25 to 1
6.71 - Battle Hunger cooldown reduced from 25/20/15/10 to 20/15/10/5
6.70 - Berserker's Call bonus armor from 5/10/15/20 to a constant 30
6.69 - Cooldown on Aghanim's Culling Blade reduced from 15 to 10 seconds
6.69 - Battle Hunger slow increased to 10%
6.68 - Battle Hunger now slows the target by 8% until it runs out or kills another unit
6.67 - Culling Blade Scepter CD reduced by 5 seconds
6.65 - Added support for Axe. Cooldown decreased from 75/65/55 to 20
6.63 - Battle Hunger duration reduced from 10/15/20/25 to 10/13/16/19 and increased
6.63 - damage to keep the same total damage output


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#3 ngazirrrrrrrrrrrrr

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 05:32 PM

Moved to strat. Axe is good but people stopped picking it about two months ago because they know the counter now.

Same thing with lycan.
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#4 XerxoR

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 08:27 PM

AL worst team at TI2 atm. They would have lost to techies too if zenith had the option of picking it. Does that mean techies should be a suprise pick to scare everyone?
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Posted 07 June 2012 - 10:34 PM

OP: axe is not a great surprise pick, but he can counter some heroes and he might be viable, but why would you want an axe when you could have an crixalis or enigma for example, way better disables and teamfight abilities.

Also about AL, yes they lose a lot lately, but remember that they're the only team that we count as a western team (EU / USA) when half of their matches are against top asian teams, who are doing way better than EU / USA at the moment, like it or not.
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Posted 07 June 2012 - 11:53 PM

2012-06-07 22:27, XerxoR wrote:
AL worst team at TI2 atm. They would have lost to techies too if zenith had the option of picking it. Does that mean techies should be a suprise pick to scare everyone?


I remember a post as ignorant as yours a year and half ago when I expected syllabear to be a top pick because zhou picked him vs neolution in ADC'10, then a guy came out of nowhere saying "sylla is a joke pick, nirvana.cn could win it even with techies."

And two weeks later, syllabear became a must-ban. Stop acting retarded people, and discuss why it is not a good pick without flaming "x" team and claiming they're low.
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#7 dragonair

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 01:04 AM

2012-06-07 19:32, ngazi wrote:
Moved to strat. Axe is good but people stopped picking it about two months ago because they know the counter now.

Same thing with lycan.

In most games I saw lycan still got banned
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#8 XerxoR

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 01:41 AM

2012-06-08 01:53, 34 wrote:

2012-06-07 22:27, XerxoR wrote:
AL worst team at TI2 atm. They would have lost to techies too if zenith had the option of picking it. Does that mean techies should be a suprise pick to scare everyone?


I remember a post as ignorant as yours a year and half ago when I expected syllabear to be a top pick because zhou picked him vs neolution in ADC'10, then a guy came out of nowhere saying "sylla is a joke pick, nirvana.cn could win it even with techies."

And two weeks later, syllabear became a must-ban. Stop acting retarded people, and discuss why it is not a good pick without flaming "x" team and claiming they're low.

You misunderstood my post. I didnt mean Axe cant fit in right now, just that the OP's reason for thinking that he should is unfounded. Any hero can fit in given the right setting and condition. Though to debate whether a hero actually fulfilled its role would depend on how good/bad the opponents are which is where my point really lies. And yes, my point is valid in every sense as everyone here can see how bad AL has become over the last few months. Now if axe won vs a team which didnt call GG before even the Tier 2 mid went down or atleast played good that would be a different issue.


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#9 lycan666

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 02:04 AM

His awesome demon Armour set made him viable.
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Posted 08 June 2012 - 02:29 AM

any VOD? I wanna watch that 15 mins pubstomp. :)
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