31 replies to this topic

[Jeezus]

what do u think abt him as a player? i think hes better off as caster as he showed in just concluded IEM, also as a sc2 player he failed miserably in following event isnt it just abt time he start casting career?tbh he was never a special player just overhyped for reason god knws. but as a caster i kind of like him give it?

[marconi]

ahh what happened to these forums...

[speedle]

He's of course a good caster compared to those nooby casters, because he has actual inside of a players head or the capability anticipating strats, mind games and decision making very well. 'Normal' Casters describe, Idra reads between the lines while casting.
He's like the experts which are consulted in sport commentations.
He has done several castings already and did a great job, but tbh he should stick with playing. Its true that he's not showing good results lately, but I believe he will come back. Starcraft is an up and down game, much more than any real sport. Where's Nestea lately? Should he begin casting? I dont think so.
Nice to listing his casting and he will certainly do a lot more, at the end he is born to play.

[maaciboy]

There are ALOT of BAAAAAAAAd casters out there, and i mean like almost all of them, i have not seen idra in person casting yet.

Artosis is the best easily, second i am not sure, perhaps DAY.
Tasteless which alot endores, i dislike his casting ability tbh, he is not good at it

[lalalelelili]

#3 artosis with tasteless would be the best , artosis alone is just meh...

Idra's prediction was spot on.

[homesmasher]

#1 is right... wtf is this shit?

[TaurenTimmy]

He didnt do well lately and has gotten alot of criticism, but saying that he is better of as a caster is just plain stupidity!.
Idra has shown that he can beat top players time after time, he's just having a though time right now.

He can go casting when he is 35.

[Jeezus]

2012-03-11 15:39, homesmasher wrote:
#1 is right... wtf is this shit?

look whos talking http://www.gosugamer...t/thread/517179 check ur own sleeves first before talking abt someone else's thread btw homesmasher only thing i hv seen from u these forums are bashing ppl and threads, son try to act a bit more maturely and stop hating(find a babe)

[TaurenTimmy]

#7 hahaha Epic ty Jeezus you made my day

[BTS.GoDz]

If he stops being a player i wont have that one person to cheer and hope they lose every time they play

[rrhinoe]

Idra should quit. He's no good anymore T____T;;. It's funny how people do not realise that the allways-hyped ends allways to fail. bg.

[homesmasher]

#7 the fact that you had to find a year old post (or 2?) instead of defending your case should speak for itself...
It was made when i got my beta and i was rly happy&had to let the world know.

But fine il act mature (alltho i do not think your posts are very helpful in that matter).

Here's whats wrong with ur first post:
1: You clearly JUST base people's skill upon their tournament results in a gold-fish manner (check out the gold-fish-modell: meaning the further away it is in both time and space the less weigt ul put on it).
This is ofcourse a somewhat correct way to do it, but on its own it would be plain wrong.
You then go on to exagurate how bad the player is-Making it really hard to take you serius.

2:You make a lot of similiar posts in high frenquency on the strategic forum.
These posts tend to have a wrongful description in the first post (like that proxies win 70% of the time http://www.gosugamers.net/starcraft2/thread/916543-how-can-zerg-proxy-cheeze-effectively)
And often are asking obvius questions or questions which have been asked and discussed in earlier threads (rendering the search function on the forum useless)
These threads also sometimes have wrong information (or information you do NOT backup with arguments) on for instance balance http://www.gosugamers.net/starcraft2/thread/914096-thoguhts-on-tvp
It also seems completely oblivius to micro, stating such things as "collosus stalker gets raped by marauder viking" which is 100% individual-based-cases, meaning micro&posistion&number is everything.

Sometimes even you'll just skip the description completely, leaving NO introduction on questions people obviusly are gonna say yes to: and yet again you seem to ignore the individualism of the cases: http://www.gosugamers.net/starcraft2/thread/907001-is-warp-prism-play-worth

Now you were critizing me for that 1 thread a year ago? (check out your own time-stamp) and i have been nice in those threads, i haven't called you out, but this is going to far.
If you're gonna say stuff like this you'll have to come with <> and they ofc have to be <>.

And if you're gonna critize a player as a whole you'll have to base it upon the last 10 events AT LEAST (idra haven't done that well the last 10 events if i remember correct so it shouldn't even be that hard).

So lets try again shall we: write a thought-out comment on:
1: What events have you observed idra?-What was the results.
2: Was the losses close or completely stomp-over, is there potential for improvement or is it time to call the night based upon these matches?
3: What would be the benefits upon going over to casting? we know for instance EG pays their players pretty handsome i've heard alltho concrete numbers are hard.
and so on...

[HosuGamers]

seriously he isnt worse than many of the b koreans and europeans, obviously he was just overhyped for some time.

why should he now go as a caster?? Starcraft brings enough money for streaming and clan sponsering.

[speedle]

#11 I do not care about any of your appropiate comments, as well as I do not care about whether or not he's exclusively posting well-thought-out posts.
These forums do not premise a scientific detailed dispute of a certain topic, so far his thoughts should be respected as a simple impulse for us to discuss whether or not iDra should retire and turn towards casting.
And its ok. There are arguments pro and contra his thoughts, but those must be gathered here in the forums by not just stating that this is mere kind of 'shit', but bring some points.
Well you had some arguments, but only to defend yourself, after you have felt offended, although you made a crappy post in the first place and although you made an even dumber thread at some point of time (Seriously, expressing joy has nothing to do with creating a thread with offensive words to the community).
The second post (reduced to topic regarding) was unfortunately not the first.
If you dont feel like participating at a specific quesion or problem, just do not do it...

[homesmasher]

#13 The starter of the topic is setting the standard for the discussion (the links i gave was to show him that if he wanted a dirt-digging war, he'd surely lose it)
As to his obligations as a poster: let's get 1 thing clear: for a discussion you MUST have arguments, can we agree upon that? Ofc you wouldn't need as much proof here as in let's say a political-forum, but there MUST be arguments.
If there is no arguments you are basicly just throwing shit around, with no roots in reality.
I think you clearly stated that you wanted to stick to this topic, so let's do that shall we? i even took my punnishment for that post.(And u had nothing new to say on it either so bringing it up on ur end seemed kinda pointless but...)

As to my argument part: i actually had a lot of non-defensive arguments id say, (I guess most are on the bottom and you perhaps didn't notice, as they weren't drectly pointed out, but rather hinting towards his post).

But since you're clearly looking for a more static argument type: lets actually pick apart his post and analyze it shall we?
First of: "what do u think abt him as a player?" a totaly fine opening.
Then he goes on: "i think hes better off as caster as he showed in just concluded IEM"____ Here im torn: that jeezus thinks he is better of as a caster is fine: i do not agree with it buts its fine, but WHY WHY is this?
The only argument is his "poor" performance in iem.
Here i do REQUIRE a much more descriptive part of: why was his performance on iem so bad? there was a lot of players who did worse, should they just give up to?

He then goes on "also as a sc2 player he failed miserably in following event"
Im assuming he is still talking of iem (see no new arguments still then?)
And either jeezus has very high expectensies of each players, or he have low knowledge of idra's sc2 results, because they're not that bad, and there's a lot of sc2 pro's out there with A LOT worse.
Ofc some people will disagree with me (this is copied from lequipedia)
http://wiki.teamliqu...rnaments_In_WoL (look at tournies in WoL)-Again we do not know his pay, he might ofc be overpaid but thats a WHOLE other issue.

Jeezus then says: "isnt it just abt time he start casting career?"
If he had arguments before i'd be fine with this part, but im missing any incentive to agree with him BECAUSE HE DIDNT GIVE ME ANY! -arguments in the earlier stages and i could say "yea maybe your right." or "no, i see your point, but i still just feel like he has it in him" (or argued against something, who knows.
But no arguments, makes it pointless to comment, because all i could say on the topic would be: "YEA FUCK THAT GUY, he sucks i never saw him win squat!" or "FUCK UUU idra is awesome i love him <3<3<3<3" or some other mindless shit in the same "vibe" as jeezus' first post.

Last part: "tbh he was never a special player just overhyped for reason god knws. but as a caster i kind of like him give it? "
Again i'd like to know how you feel he's overhyped, im ofc not saying he isn't or is for that sake, but how?
Is it the commentators? is it the average joe-forumers?
Is it because you feel all the EG-guys+artosis has a man-crush on him? just give me something to talk about god damnit.
The he was never a special player is a personal oppinion, i can understand that this is mainly from just watching games, therefore basing myself on the idea that the earlier criterias would be fullfilled, i would be ok with that not being backed up by arguments.

A forum is a place you go to discuss stuff, it is not where you shout out frustration over a player you do not like, without reasoning the frustration first! (maybe you like him maybe you don't, im basing this on the vibe i get from jeezus' post)
If you want to shout stuff without having a conversation, then you should propebly join a schwarneger film "get to the choppa!" is normally not followed up with a "here's why i think that would be a good idea...."

[ghost_sniper]

#14 you have owned yourself http://www.gosugamer...t/thread/517179 so just be quiet =/

[pN.berg_zerg]

So which foreigners are better than Idra ? (And i dont mean better in the sense of might have won a BO1 against him)

currently definitely better are
Stephano,Naniwa,Huk,Sen and Feast

That consindering there recent tournament performance and overall strenght in all 3 matchups

There are players like Nerchio,Kas,Titan,Sase who may be better but i am not sure

but thats about it

So Idra is still ~ somwhere TOP 6 - 20 foreigner for sure
thats not bad enough to retire and become a caster

[KssS-]

Its so amusing how much BS homesmasher is talking in this thread to save his E-penis in 11th post he says "It was made when i got my beta and i was rly happy&had to let the world know."
and what he wrote in that thread

MUAHAHAHAH FUCK ALL OF YOU WHO HAVE FLAMED ME, now is the time for great deeds, guess what ????? i have goten the sc2 beta key invite wc3 can burn in hell !!!!

rofl no comments. After that he starts attacking OP's other threads on strategic forums, I dont know how long u hv been on GGnet but i didnt find anything wrong with those threads, its not as descriptive as on TL or what (if u meant by that) but it has been like that forever ..ok i wont go further, just stating that a big wall of text with most of just BSing wont make u look better ,like ur desprately trying(for god knows what reason) lastly (a humble request homesmasher the way u did analysis on this thread on ur 14th post pls do so on ur own thread aswell http://www.gosugamer...t/thread/517179)
ok OT: real problem with IdrA is his ZvP mu ,if u look at it in IEM he met Feast and real in his first 2 matches, its like he makes that mu difficult for himself by his usual whining comments and mindset about protoss race. He managed to take down supernova in his last game ,that really shows his potential, but really he needs to have a stable mind to continue his career

[JimCarry]

[I ]s very overrated
[d ]oes not belong in GSL, stop whining
[r ]esent results are very very bad
[A ]tleast his fans can always find 1000 excuses for his sloppy play

[Artunit]

I think he is still a good player and well deserving in GSL, sure there are many foreigners better than him but we can't disregard the fact that he still a good player. Also stop posting on thread if you are just gonna troll.