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#1 HellKaiser

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Posted 10 August 2013 - 11:24 PM

Na'Vi uses fountain hook in 1 game = people cry OP, imba, illegal, dirty, disgusting move

Game mechanic exploit? check

 

95% of LD players abuse Armlet on Spirit Bear = meta (until fix)

Game mechanic exploit? check

 

 

dafuq with people.


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#2 4saken.infinity

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Posted 10 August 2013 - 11:49 PM

This should have been fixed as soon as it was discovered.

 

There are many exploits possible, whether or not they are disgusting depends on how much they impact the game, how easy they are to abuse and how difficult it is to counter them when they are abused.

 

If you dare put fountain hooking as the same kind of exploit as Armlet Bear, please go fuck yourself.

 

We had TA's illusion splash in DotA and it was 1000 times harder to pull off and much much rarer and yet it was removed from Dota 2 because it could be potentially abused.

 

We didn't have fountain hooking (not this kind) in DotA and despite how obnoxious and cheap it is, it wasn't removed just because "it looks cool". Fuck that.


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#3 HellKaiser

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Posted 11 August 2013 - 12:17 AM

We didn't have fountain hooking (not this kind) in DotA and despite how obnoxious and cheap it is, it wasn't removed just because "it looks cool". Fuck that.

Or you could say we didn't see much Pudge in DotA at all in competitive games.

 

It's gonna be fixed indeed one way or another. But people going *** over it is too much.


Edited by HellKaiser, 11 August 2013 - 12:18 AM.

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#4 luc14n0

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Posted 11 August 2013 - 12:18 AM

The fountain hook was legit in the rules, yes.


But as a dota fan it was disgusting to see a team resort to that " strat " to win. Fountain killing heroes is not dota.


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Posted 11 August 2013 - 12:37 AM

Fountain hook already got exploited to total perfection by Root Gaming in January, but noone complained. :kappa2:

 


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#6 goxtortel

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Posted 11 August 2013 - 01:35 AM

chinese fanboys cry too much lol. even tho it wasnt easy to do, they call it cheap. even tho it has more risk than reward, they call it OP. besides, they tried that like 10-20 times and only succeeded 7 times. isnt it tongfu's fault for first, not banning the pudge, 2nd for not positioning themselves better, 3rd, for not punishing navi for risking 4v5.


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#7 4saken.infinity

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Posted 11 August 2013 - 03:40 AM

chinese fanboys cry too much lol. even tho it wasnt easy to do, they call it cheap. even tho it has more risk than reward, they call it OP. besides, they tried that like 10-20 times and only succeeded 7 times. isnt it tongfu's fault for first, not banning the pudge, 2nd for not positioning themselves better, 3rd, for not punishing navi for risking 4v5.

It was a god damn bug that people complained about as soon as it was discovered but it was labeled "intentional" after Navi used it a bit and people seemed to like watching it. I dare say it was more because Navi was the one doing it than the act itself being fun to watch (beyond the first few). 

 

Who cares about who wins a stupid tournament that I don't get a single thing from. It's just dumb beyond belief to see a game clearly and completely ruined by an uncounterable and very easy to do move. Do  you think it's difficult to try and try and try again with forcestaffed Pudge that's getting sent home? It's beyond obnoxious.

 

By the way the hero isn't weak without it all. If you connect, hook is already as fucked up an ability as any other if not more. The problem lies more with being able to connect. You wanna know a legitimate fix for that? Make hook go through allied creeps (not allied heroes for obvious reasons) like arrow does. That's an actually sensible thing. Including a dumb uncounterable (if hard, and I don't think so, it's like shooting infinite number of arrows into the darkness, some will definitely connect the target and when they do, they can't be countered) move isn't. It isn't possible to save whoever gets hit by that thing regardless of what unless maybe if there is a Rubick ally who steals sendback and uses it on the hooked hero. That is just dumb.

 

But even worse is how the rest of the "abuses" that were debatable as useful mechanics were just removed (especially the TA splash when that is near impossible to pull off compared to this and still wouldn't win a game solely off it) while this thing that wasn't even in DotA was labeled an intentional change. Joke. The tp from fountain hook as it was in DotA is actually okay and fun to watch because it's actually hard to pull off and far far easier to counter.


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#8 HellKaiser

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Posted 11 August 2013 - 04:02 AM

The tp from fountain hook as it was in DotA is actually okay and fun to watch because it's actually hard to pull off and far far easier to counter.

So you're okay with the same exact abuse being done in DotA just because it's harder to pull off? Okay. So much for taking a stand.


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#9 Gunnar

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Posted 11 August 2013 - 04:50 AM

lol that was his stand - short form for ya : "criterion on fixing bugs/exploit : how easy to exploit? is it op? can it be countered?"

 

he's not changing anything from what he previously said. He's merely explaining it further


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Posted 25 September 2013 - 02:01 PM

people are stupid sometimes, i tried this before. looks easier than done you need to be a good hooker for this and alot of timing like meepo needs timing i mean please use yyour brains people dnedi is a master hooker (even though he failed in the all star games) but still. u want something called cheap? USE BANE NIGHTMARE ON TOP OF IT MAGIC DOESNT AWAKE THE NIGHTMARE ty so please dont say navi is cheating dendi practiced alot of hooks ya know if its fix you can just use magnus chen instead of chen pudge and if only chen is fixed then use io

i mean same logic as dota extending the hook but this one is so long extending to death (exept if its an axe with a heart or another pudge being hooked


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