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Read my first message, I already answered that.
You can easily bypass mandatory ventrilo servers. Skype or any other Voice over IP software linked directly to one of the players can easily bypass any of that.
By the way, there is a point concerning all this discussion that seems to elude most of the people participating in that debate.
It's not a question of "real pros wouldn't do that" or even "I trust my teamates, they wouldn't do that or even tolerate it collectively, I can vouch for them, I can swear, etc etc ..."
This is NOT the question.
The question is, that only ONE GUY, beeing fed information directly and discretly via Skype by one of his personal friend watching the live broadcast, can TOTALY FUCK UP whole games. Let me explain to you how :
When you play Dota on a competitive level (and most pros will be able to confirm what I am about to say), a team don't just follow the captain like robots (even if he's responsible for the global strategy) but must collectively rely on the fast input of all team members, map pings, vocal warning ("no no, don't go there !") and such instantaneous data. Even the team captains take those collective datas, indirectly gathered and provided by his teamates, to formulate ponctual decisions and ganks calls.
Ok. Now ... Imagine you're playing with your trusted team members. You're one of the EU/US top team. You are proud. You cannot tolerate your team to cheat collectively, and you would never cheat yourself. This is the basic case that we take for granted, and that even myself consider to be true in the overwhelming majority of case. BUT, now consider this : If only one team member is being secretly and personnaly fed informations by his friend watching the live broadcast, via skype (in silent mode) and while being at the same time on the team's ventrilo, there's going to be TWO logical consequence, and they are TOTALY UNEVITABLE BY ANYONE :
1) None of the other 4 team members will ever know it. They cannot vouch or not about this, and they cannot speak about it or deny it because they don't even know that it's taking place. As far as the others are concerned THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT THEY ARE CHEATING AND WILL NEVER KNOW IT. Yeah, that's tuff to digest ...
2) The 5th guy, who's cheating and being fed precious, almost live, informations about enemy team map movements, wards and such, feed his team with insidious, and purposedly innocent (but crucial !) datas. Just at the right time, not too often. How many time one of us in a team pinged some place and said : "I'm sure they are here !" or "They are roshaning !". You're not going to suspect your teamate of cheating just because at a crucial time, he pinged somewhere on the map and tells you he has a gut feeling that this or that is taking place and you find out he's right. Especially not if you're a big team. You're going to put this on the "skill" or your teamate ! And I would like to add here, that the fact that HE IS REALLY SKILLED or not in the real game DOES NOT MATTER HERE. This is really the WEAKEAST argument I ever heard ! It's been proven many times, in previous debates, that a Skilled pro using a regular maphack, for exemple, is 10 000 times more dangerous than a noob using a maphack, AND EVEN HARDER TO DETECT, you see what I mean ?! And you're especially NOT gonna suspect your teamate of cheating if he's playing support, and buy wards and go everywhere on the map exactly when the other team warder has just laid fresh wards, put a sentry himself (like he's not cheating), and then killing the other teams observer wards. EVERY TIME. You're not gonna suspect that your support is cheating. No. He bought plenty of sentries. He walked with his little feets to the other teams wards, dropped a sentry, and attacked the ennemy wards. Except he does it everytime the enemy put up a ward somewhere. Except he always happen to put his sentry at the right place. Except he's fucking cheating and gaining TON of map advantage and saving TON of gold by not placing sentries where there is nothing.
Now who the fuck is gonna detect that ?!
Get real peoples. I'll bet money that this is taking place. "Pros" teams or not. Wake up, being pro in dota refer to their ingame ability skill-wise, it doesn't mean AT ALL they a religious saints (far from it, sometimes ...). Whoever believes this is fucking stupid. Only one guy, unknown by his other teamates bring TREMENDOUS game advantages to his team. Especially in VERY HIGH LEVEL games, where both teams are very close skill-wise, and where games are won by just a slight advantage. This is ALL the advantage you need and way more ! One team member can decide to go this way alone, bring victory to his team, and never get ANY PUBLIC SHAME for it. "Public shame". This is the keyword here. And the thing that would stop most team from actually doing that, because nobody believes any of the top team would internaly and collectively decide to go for this. It's too risky because team rosters change everytime, and if one guy change team, things would become known. No No, this is more subtle than that.
Only one guy is enough with this to brings victory and fame to his team (and to himself !) and with ZERO risk of public shame. I say, this is too good to pass for "some" people, and if admins don't take this seriously, they are unconscious. Wake up peoples, it's 2010 and those "pro" players are not all Boyscouts and paragon of vertue. It's not "church school", it's Dota competition, and some people will stop at nothing to win the very important games, if they know that their can be NO PUBLIC DRAWBACK, AND NO OFFICIAL CONSEQUENCES EVER, to them. And this, is unfortunately the exact case here.
Bottomline :
1) Only one guy acting alone.
2) Rest of team is totaly unaware and keeps believing "Hey guys, we rox so much !"
3) NO risk and drawback WHATSOEVER for the guy doing it solo. No consequences, No public shame, No possible referee actions, NO NOTHING ! It's basicaly free, as long as there is a near live broadcast.
4) Too good to pass in very important teams clash where there is PERSONAL HATRED between certain players and some people will stop to nothing to win this particular game.
Now, anybody who can't realize the logical conclusion of this FOUR points equation, needs a reality check. Personnaly I've done my best trying to explain this in the most clear and logical terms, if peoples still don't get it, I cannot help them more than this, and it's not my problem anymore. What I know, is that If I was an online league admin OR even a serious team captain who wants to preserve his team from this kind of insidious actions I would request an incompressible 6 mins delay buffer in all the games I'm participating in, starting from today.
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