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1 year ago

#21

Harlekairi

some heroes can carry/gank or carry/push at the same time.

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1 year ago

#22

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Mandurang

Nice read.

It's interesting to note how the heroes that fall in more than one category are usually the ones that are considered dangerous, and are as a result high on the pick/ban list. Examples - Rhasta (pushing/ganking), Earthshaker (turtling/ganking), Slardar (ganking/turtling [on the carrying role]), and a few others.

But there's also other strategies that you don't mention - one is to always try to be the rock to their scissors; namely, to try and counter directly instead of generally. For instance, counter their heroes, or, for example, try and counter their push strat directly with stopping power, for lack of a better term, such as Pit Lord, who isn't strictly suitable for any lineup of the three kinds you mention otherwise. Push to push countering also works since some good pushers are also good defenders, with their summons and AoE, like Enigma or Rhasta, while a lane that is pushed most of the time prevents your own towers from being in danger often, and has the added benefit that it enables you to defend with ease (you can see the push coming from a long way off).

Of course, all these could arguably be called refinements. Otherwise, it's a nice intro for strategic thinking, and the rock-paper-scissors is a nice concept to bear in mind when judging balance issues.

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1 year ago

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BilGames

#7 +1

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1 year ago

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Iwke

nice post but I have to disagree. In my opinion you can qualify push and gang strat but turtling has many shapes. You have the 52e turtling like mass aoe disable and winning team fights but you have the 3lane push strats which I would call turtling aswell but they are totally different only same aspect is the getting late game heros fat. And atm good turtling >all it simply has more hero choices then other strats so you can easily counter push AND gank and still pick the strat you want. Only thing that can stop turtling besides better turtling is a very good combo of gank and push heros and about 2 semi-carries I would mostly compare it to TR strats.

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2 months ago

#25

glenn6h

Nice Post!

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2 months ago

#26

kaez

at first i was gonna type in tl;dr

when i saw all the "AWESOME!" and "really GOOD!" i just went back and read the whole thing feeling really awesome.

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2 months ago

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Smeagol-

Looks like you're so bored at home eh?

Anyway, good points. Though there are still a lot more going on in the picking and banning phase of CM. Nice job mate.

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2 months ago

#28

PeinEVO

Epic necro

They give you the altqq shortcut for you to use it.so do ..

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2 months ago

#29

BILL.GATESSSSS

Where's the tl;dr version?

Kill Bill... Gates, that is.

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2 months ago

#30

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gichrys

nc read

Ignore me... I don't exist

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2 months ago

#31

MrJams

necro'd

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2 months ago

#32

plsdeletethisacc

necroed but op has a point

this is just the basics though people... don't bash him if he didn't mention sth, like getting a push strat with a carry where the goal is to destroy as much towers you can to make your carrier rich and win the game... but I guess he mentioned all the basics..

rly rly good.. we need some more articles like this

ae porra

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2 months ago

#33

L3vaThiaN- (Strategist DotA)

This thread is so outdated (yeah even if it was written ... after my post) that I can't even begin to describe it. Rock Paper Scissors does not exist in DotA after the appearance of the Pipe-Jango-Meka+Force Staves on supports and with the add of certain recent (to me, unoriginal and not really needed but I'm no IeFrog) like Shadow Demon (Soul Catcher, skillable Purge) or the remakes on others like Invoker's stats boost, we see that almost no team uses totally one tactic.
On a side note, there are more things to do like double jungling etc.
I absolutely expect people to say "but double jungling is a way to gank/turtle".
Oh really Sherlock? Then what's left to do besides turtle when needed, gank, push and avoid feeding in DotA? It's just "avoid feeding" can't be named a Strategy, can it?

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2 months ago

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