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Reliable vs Unreliable Gold
Posted by Terrence "MrBlue" Wong 1 year ago
Just a few days ago, IceFrog reveals that there will be new heroes coming in the upcoming 6.68 version. But that ain't all the trick up our favorite frog's sleeve as a new gold mechanic will be added to encourage more ganking strategies.In IceFrog's latest blog post, he reveals a new feature called Reliable vs Unreliable Gold. There will be two kinds of gold in the new version, the reliable gold comes from hero kills while unreliable gold comes from other creep kills.
With the two different gold in place, Hero deaths will only incur a loss of gold from the unreliable gold pool, allowing ganking heroes to stack up on gold that they can't lose. Buying items, will first use up gold from the unreliable gold pool and the remainder will be deducted from the reliable gold pool.
IceFrog states however, that this is an experimental idea and it will be tweaked or modified based on feedback of the new mechanic.
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| IceFrog's Blog - Source |
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| every time a version 6.X8 comes out it's a stand out version.. maybe not 58 but 59 is close enough |
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| #18 u like farm, erope (exept u) likes gank... #48: they will dominte but they will gan too so their games wont be boring |
| nice idea...but i m skeptical.... usually support players will let the carry get the kill....which in turn might make it more farming oriented |
| Don't like. Supporters are going to have more gold (won't lose it when they die every 5 minutes). Supporters having more gold = more wards and better able to protect carries. Carries thus get to farm easier. Personally, I think a better way to make people want to gank is by increasing the gold lost for a hero death. If you do this, the best way to counter a hero like dusa is to gank her often. Even if you fail every now and then, she's going to lose a ton of gold when you succeed. |
| I agree with #54 :) |
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This changes sounds brilliant and complicated at the same time. I don't know how much it will change. |
| #54 with that way everyone will play so defensive and it will just take much more time to farm and we will see 90-100 min games becuase no one wanna risk to die. and even if you try to kill medusa 3 time and you succed 1 time she will still have much more farm then you, becuase you die=you loose a lot of gold and that will even be harder for supporters ,it may take 40 min for them to buy a boot of speed like that which means ganking will be much harder |
| lets c how would this work out |
| problem remains the same: u go gank and fail. ennemys get kill-gold and you who did the "entertaining agressive style" fails winning the game so it will be defensive farming again. you have to put money on WHERE the kill is (near or far from ur own base) and then give the amount of gold (the farer from ur base the kill is, the more gold u get) |
| Wanna see LGD ganking for glory!! |
| good one |
| I kinda agree with #54 I think people do not see the point here... Why did eu teams started playing in like every match 3 carry strat after SMM 09? Did ANY EU team used trax in competitive dota until they saw ZSMJ pwning like 6 games in a row with her???(you know that time when sGty haven't lost a competitive match in 2.5 months or so) Did ANY1 ever used THD until they saw how well Chinese use him, as a viable support. Unlike Chinese, its more like that eu teams lack innovative strats(even innovative itembuilds) and training, they lack some1 who could inspire them to use hero like lina - like vigoss, that's why at the moment chinse are better, not because farm>gank. I miss Ymt raping with Viper/sf with hex and orchid.... Hope with new KS he will! |
| i suggest the league of legends system,it really works,you cant see anyone in league of legend who farm the creeps more then first 10 mins of the game. in that game everyone have a free tp which he can use anytime he wish and go base,in addition you wont lose gold from dying and i advice to remove tank items like vanguard which is so easy to farm(you can have it after 7-8 min) and make the heroes hard to kill and icefrog should also remove passive end game skills like phantom lancer ilussion making skill or make the kunkka cleave to only have effect on heroes etc.... |
Well i don´t think this will change much.. i mean if u farm like a beast, since you get gold from farming (and the gold you lose if you die its the same - since there´s nothing saying that you will lose more in this new version), you just have to keep doing the same.. i don´t really see the difference here....  |
| #48 let's see where that goes when there is a medusa freefarming top for 20 mins while others hold you off...seriously this isn't gonna take anything away from ricing,it just encourages ganking a bit more,and of course there's counter ganking that will rape your whole idea of winning after 2 of your ganks are countered and the kills go to the carry.so there's not gonna be that much of a difference in the metagame. |
| KS.int !!! |
| and eu fanboys please stop think that eu will win the games in this version.can you explain how you wanna win when burning just died 8 time in 9 matches of eswc??? |
| can't wait to see if EU can outgang CN teams! |
| GJ great idea |
| Amazing! It's an awesome idea, it looks really promising. But.. I predict the Chinese sticking to 6.67 for a long time yet.  |
| this is what dota needed to become the most amazing game in world xD...im sick of games when 50 min farm gives you win -.- ...finally, i think this will mean that asian teams will have so much more troubles with european teams, coz we all know europe is gank oriented...i thinks mania and other gankers now will be kinda like most important players xD |
| Look at ehomo ESWC final vs. dts they've won by ganking... |
nice!  |
| #54 More gold to supportes is more like less vision than more vision. A team usually manages to get up vision for them selves, as that often is more important than removing the opposing teams vision. The extra gold could easily go sentry instead of observer wards. |
| Impressive , but i think zeus , spctre , back too picks |
| That's a fcking awesome idea :D |
| Seems like a fukin awesome idea!! Gj IceFrog |
interesting, cant wait for 6.68  |
#54 I disagree  They will maybe get an extra tp or set of wards out of this the first 8 mins, but I don't think it will have such a big impact on the game. A good support isn't goin to walk around with 300 gold in the bank anyway. He is gonna think: "Spend that shit."And about the "hero loses more gold", this will slow the game down terribly. Just imagine you are getting ganked at the 5th minute, and you cant even buy a tp to get back in the action. This version IS going to be hard on invis heroes I think, but I don't care much for them And I predict Clockwork first pick! |
| "Sup european dota, bbai asian dota." Yeah, now when China stomps people 30-5 they'll be so screwed. |
| HUGE Advantage for glodal hero : furion - clock - spectre - zeus..., they dont even need to "Gank"... |
| people and especially #64 , can't you read a damn thing ? if you farm like before , you won't be able to get expensive items for your combos , it means you have to get kills for that .. it means more clashes and means bye bye to farming one lane till the end ! how is that possible to win when you can't combo your linken or butterfly ?! some people talk like Ice Frog is doing it blind , it's not that way really . genius idea imo , I think about changing DotA even in bathroom , but too gold types ? come on that's awesome  |
| #80 got trolled awesome idea who cares whether "china" still pwns, at least the games get more interesting then in this crap version with fucked up metagame |
| Really cool idea; can't wait to test it and see how the pros adapt to it in order to properly see how effective and balanced a concept it is. It obviously has some flaws and dangers that are meant to be tested during this experimental phase, but I'm sure that some heavy tweaking will make the idea viable. #54 So you want supports to get boots and that's it, enjoy your 0 gold throughout the game ? :D |
| now not only you would see azens jungle morph but the whole team in the jungle |
| asia will own this shit!!! haha #63 I suggest you stop playing dota!!! |
| great one icy ! |
| Not so good. Near end game when carries can kill heroes quickly, he can rack up lots of reliable gold. He can use his unreliable gold (creep kills) to buy items and just leave his reliable gold. if a major clash happens, he can always buyout using his reliable gold. Making games just a wee bit longer. :( |
| #49 yep just like they dominated on asian WCG not making it out of their bracket #72 agree on topic , frog superb idea love u no homo |
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| I really love the experimental, awesome and game changing ideas IceFrog thinks of. Gotta love this guy. |
| seems like a good idea and all but well have to see how this works, but i dont see any reason why it wouldnt. |
| bring back gank? watch china dota atm, its endless ganking.. i dont like the idea, less lh gold and more hero kill gold/assist gold would solve it. |
| Seems to be a nice idea ... |
| Wow.... Great idea I like it. |
| Everyone that thinks this thing will fail even more than version we play today, really need to put their finger on the head and question themselves are they normal at all... Great idea as always by Ice Frog! He really brings dota on another level, and make huge difference between DotA, and games like LoL, HoN and others. Really good job! ;) |
| China will still win over it.. Europeans will just fail again.. they just don't have what it takes to be DOta pro :) CHina > ALL |
| Might be a good idea. Buybacks will have to be changed, intelligently. |
| Gotta love the delusional people who still believe that "EU ganking" will have bigger chance now. Its been like this for the past versions - asians adapt better to the changes in game and euro follows. Well like I said before somewhere else - expect more turtle oriented game and saving gold in the "bank" . |
| LGD.sGty will continue turtling and let his carry farm whole game, cause they can perfectly protect them with their imba support |
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