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ESL Major Series drop DotA, hoist WarCraft 3
Posted by Ghassen "MaelStroM" Soussi 1 year ago
The Green Skins are now officially back - Photo by: ESL
ESL organisation has announced a new Major Series season with a major shake-up in the disciplines covered, confirming WarCraft 3 and crossing out DotA from the list.
As the German organisation announced 2 weeks ago, WarCraft 3 has been added to the RTS titles within the 1on1 disciplines in Europe's best online league, the Major Series, brandishing a respectable 500€ prize at stake.
On the other hand, Avalon Heroes seems to have supplanted Defense of the Ancients and gets a whopping 5,000€ prize pool. ESL announced that the newly-introduced game is included as a so-called 'publisher game', which means that the developers behind the game are backing it with prize money.
The whole ESL Major Series event puts forward an attractive money-box of 16,500€ for all the games supported, though it accounts for 1,500€ less than the running season's pot.
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| the real question still remains unanswered...why should anyone care about this tourney anyway? |
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| Even if the tourney was bad it looks bad from the standpoint of other gamers from different games seeing it. Shows that dota may be dying etc |
| Smart move imo... |
| how many ppl still play classic wc3? how MANY ppl play dota? |
| #56 lol You asked a right question. ESL? Who gives a shit? |
| Avalon heroes !! LAWL !!!!! enjoy your failure.. |
| esl is the worst league of all, not paying out money, bad admins, bad organization and predicting on games which gonna die (dota), gl with hon and wc 3, tards |
| #44 1v1 dota? |
| t_T please just give up Avalon Heroes |
| esL? what's that? |
Bad news.  |
| What you guys don't understand is that the ESL needs very active ladders and cups for a specific game, to have that game supported in the big events. Sirneo is right, the players in the dota scene aren't responsable enough to attend their matches at the given hours and stuff. For example, in like 20 nightcups that the ESL organised, the only pro teams that have ever attended are MYM and TEG (one attendance each). When stuff like this happens, as an event organiser you get to think "why bother?". Eventhough HoN and the other games in this genre can't be compared to dota, they have lots of cups with prizes in cash, becouse the community is active and responsable and the cases where players fail to attend a match are way more rare. This being said, please stop flaming the ESL for no specific reason, since all that is to blame is the community. After all, sponsors throw money in a series of e-sports events that are active, with a constant and responsable player pool etc. Now seriously, why would SteelSeries, Razer etc, sponsor events that have 3 times more signed up teams than attending teams? |
| Dota is not going to die!... if more else it will grow. Just because of a pro league refusals do you think dota is going do die. Stop bitching about this subject is useles, dota is the father of avalon heroes and hon they will not beat it as long as someone is still working on dota. The only diference is that those games have someone willing to pich in a few extra money. cry on forums cry ingame :p this is dota. |
| #44-47 make my day...dota has teamplay,skill,tactics,prediction,luck,and so on...the most complete game ever...w3 has just tactic and sometimes micro... |
| SirNeo and Dynasty are right. I like DotA as a map/game but its community is pathetic. Just look at the scene: teams disbanding every week or so, players changing teams, etc. It's a freakin' chaos. And even if a team manages to remain together it fails to act responsibly. Professional DotA players take very few things seriously. No wonder ESL would decide to drop DotA. No organizer or sponsor would bother with a community that is so childish and irresponsible. Too many kids in DotA Pro Scene = fail. |
| none of fans give a fuck about ESL but i dont know how it is for players |
| n1,Wc3 will never die :D |
| always good to hear dota is dying. Nice. |
| Good for Warcraft 3, but this shitty tournament, nobody cares about it. More borndead DotA-clones that developers support with tournaments they pay for on their own :D #47 Lol yeah, right. #64 You may be right but the only true reason why they dropped DotA is Avalon Heroes' devs paying them for a slot in place of the DotA one. The community hardly has anything to do with it, it's all about money; maybe we wouldn't flame ESL so bad if the previous experiences had anything good in them. Pay the teams and maybe, just maybe, you won't have a shitty reputaton as a organizer. |
| ahahahah esl just be patience for the new dota published by valve |
| LOL dota just became more competitive and they are dropping dota =) I guess they are soon gonno remove all games  |
| remove esl |
| #72 i just wanted to say that hon, and all dota clones are goin' down, when Valve will publish new Dota on steam, lol the rumors of DotA death have been greatly exaggerated |
#65 Supp :P  |
| sucks ffs |
| I'd gladly trade shitty tournaments like ESL that interest no one for Razer Global Challenge. In how many games have you see a tournament with so many teams and such a big prize pool? Mby in counter-strike I don't know, clearly not those pathetic DotA-clones. They will die pretty soon, especially when Valve and IceFrog release a REAL stand-alone game. gj ESL admins, they'll regret it in less than a year |
| Ill state some of my opinions: (Sorry for 47, i posted it at 5:00 the other day when I was tired as shit, lol) 1) Dota is simpler to play and to learn than Wc3 1v1 classic (No flame inteded, read 5)) 2) Following 1), Dota is more popular than Wc3 classic 3) Following 1) and 2), Dota will survive. 4) Dota and Wc3 1v1 classic are extremely different games 5) On pro level, Wc3 doesnt require more skill than Dota, nor the other way around. They both focus on different thing. (Wc3: Multitasking, micro, position, macro. Dota: Teamplay, covering things as tactics, positions etc, micro) 6) Both are awesome games and we shouldnt even be arguing about any of these dying or being worse than the other, cuz that wont happen. 7) Have fun, live your life and fill it up with much joy and friendly experiences. |
| useless |
| #79 you rock :D |
| ESL is just so lol :D they are the most retarded guys I've ever seen... |
| ESL is principally known for not paying out prize money. Other than that reputation, it's fairly unworthy of mention. #79 The number one complaint against DotA over the years from external reviews is that it's a hard game to learn. People who want to get started in DotA (and be good) have to study information about items, skill builds, hero roles, picking, etc. What makes DotA popular, if it's not much easier to learn? It's the game concept. Five players fighting together using warcraft type of spells and creating strategies to win. Very good, fun concept. |
| #83 learning to play classic warcraft decently is surely harder than learning to play dota at a reasonable level |
| #84 What I was talking about was external reviewers' opinions, i.e. that 'hard to learn' is people's number one objection to DotA -- by far. That's a different question than your reply. Anyway, I think your claim is clearly incorrect. In DotA, there is a lot of stuff that makes it very hard for total noobs, beginning with the fact that you are with a team. But once you learn everything and can work OK with a team, you can actually be pretty good. WC3 is the direct opposite. It's easy to learn conceptually. There are only four races and there is generally no team pressure. There are the basic unit builds, macro management with hotkeys, and microing armies with control groups. But once you get past this -- then it is very hard to become a competitive player. |
| YoSnail, you might be right. I was mainly speaking out of personal experience. Being an experienced e-sporter and having plenty of experience with these kinds of games (Hereos involved, items, strategy etc) made me learn and understand the Dota principals very quickly and made me possible to play it with other more experienced players. Wc3 on the other hand have I been playing more or less for 6 years and still dont have the sufficiant skill to even compete with semi-pro players. I think we need to differ here between experienced "gamers" and complete newbeginners when it comes to which game is harder to play or learn |
| Yes, I think I agee with what you are saying here, generally. On the point of how complex the games are for those who want to be competitive, I think it is really a lot harder to get into WC3. Although in DotA a lot of the top teams are doing some complex strategizing, training and thinking, it's still not as difficult to at least understand what makes the top teams great. In talking about 'hard to learn' or what is easier for newbs and beginners, I am certainly talking about people who are really outside e-sports and coming to it. The nice thing about Blizzard's games is that they break people in gently. They can learn a lot from the game's campaign and so on. WC3 does not have that much complexity in terms of game information and elements to remember. But if they want to play DotA, because they hear about the amount of people playing or clones, from all accounts it is very rough. They say there is an intimidating amount of stuff they have to learn from scratch with basically no in-game guides or instructions. Hence, I would say it is incorrent to say DotA is easier to learn, in fact as a team-game mod noob-friendliness is probably its very weakest point. |
| yes, well spoken. Wc3 is still an awesome game tho and for me its the number one game in the world. But we all grow up differently :) |
| From a standpoint of having observed games take each other's places in a variety of competitions and leagues, I'm not too surprised at what has gone on. For example, with how 'relaxed' and 'unconventional' most DotA players are, i.e. not even showing up to a match forcing the team to use a stand-in, using various other names instead of their specific given one, etc., no wonder it's hard for most DotA players to get recognition if they don't even take it seriously at all. Avalon Heroes actually gets a spotlight in ESL now, but if the community and players are just as ignorant and carefree, its fate will probably be the same. Warcraft III's scene has always been more serious/formal than DotA's scene. On top of that, as big as DotA is, no one can deny the fact that DotA is merely a map that uses the Warcraft III game's resources. That itself is a rather large advantage in the eyes of league administrators, sponsors, and whatnot. Warcraft III's scene is still going very strong, with a number of top players who have been relatively consistent throughout years and years of play. A good number of those also haven't been jumping between a cluster of teams, and they are always well-mannered and respectful to their competition. Include a number of other significant factors that brings out the strength of Warcraft III as a game and competitive scene, and it's no big surprise when ESL brings back WC3. And for those who are misinterpreting that "DotA is dying", looks like we have to make it clear to EVERYONE: DotA is NOT dying. With the millions of players who play DotA, this is a game that will last for quite a while to come. (Not assuming if Icefrog comes up with any drastic news, i.e. his new DotA project at Valve, problems with future updates, etc.) DotA is very much alive because of its massive playerbase. What happened here is mainly because of the typical behavior of competitive-level DotA players. |
Yeah good news for WC3  |
| #79 u are my heroe ffs! <3 nice post! |
| lol don't even try to compare dota and w3 in the terms of skill cause dota is not even close... |
| @#92 Wrong. The reason why you can't really compare DotA and Warcraft III in terms of skill is because players require a different set of skills to excel at each one. I've played Warcraft III for at least 4-5 years. Only started learning DotA in the middle of the time I was already playing Warcraft III, and quite easily realized each game had many, many different aspects. It's really a no-brainer to be able to understand that: |
| people doing science from one funmap... ofc dota requires different set of skills but all in all its just a lot less than w3... you control hero and teamplay is just a question of time and thats about it... |
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