SearchMagic Stick: Aye or Nay?
Posted by Vincent "em0_llama" Nunes 1 year ago
Recently Drayich expressed his opinion on the Magic Stick and how it affects the current version. This is obviously a very controversial topic and it has invoked a number of different responses. 
Loda and Ducky in China
Along with the hundreds of fans that have ranted and raved about Magic Stick, two pro's, namely Loda and Ducky, have expressed their opinions in their own personal blogs. Those who have read Ducky's blog might think that the DDT player was "attacking" Dray, requesting that he "takes a pill and relax". He also went as far as to say that Dray's opinion on the current game is because of TheSHIT!'s inability to farm. One of the more constructive things expressed in Ducky's blog was the point that the Magic Stick is but one of many aspects in the modern game. Other aspects include team synergy, map movement and of course, farming; which is all completely true. He also argues that the Magic Stick increases the viability of many heroes, which has resulted in a more interesting pick phase.
Even though currently in the "land of bratwurst and beer", Loda found the time to blog about this particular matter and express his opinion. He partially agrees with Dray's idea regarding the shorting of cooldowns, but it would have to be closely monitored, as it could completely and utterly change the game. In sync with his fellow teammate, Loda disagrees with Dray's opinion on Magic Stick. According to Loda, magic makes the game a great deal more exciting and the correct use of it can make team fights plenty more skilful and entertaining. However, he does stress that this is merely his opinion and isn't necessarily right, but he has discussed the matter several times with Icefrog.
So, GosuGamers poses the question to the rest of the community: Should Magic Stick be removed/reworked or is perfect as it is? Be sure to add your vote to the poll and state your opinion in a constructive and useful manner.
| Links |
| loda.dingblog - Loda's blog |
| ddt-ducky.blogspot - Ducky's Blog |
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| tbh i dont think magic stick is the main problem in dota right now... in fact, i have no problems with it there's many other things i'd change first |
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| yes it is fine the way it is and it adds excitement to the game.it's just like boots;it's cheap,but it has a big effect on the game,but is it imba?no it's not. |
| !Vouch magic stick, best item |
| Why must all the choices have to do with if it's imabalanced or not? I want to remake/drastically change the item but I don't think it's imba.. just boring/not serving its intended purpose.. |
| magic stick should stay |
| they're really taking it serious, sigh* i am sure icefrog will take action for this on the next version, to be honest in my own opinion , magic stick is really a balance item, just like Loda said "magic makes the game a great deal more exciting and the correct use of it can make team fights plenty more skilful and entertaining" Magic Stick <3 |
| `Dray's opinion on Magic Stick was because of TheSHIT!'s inability to farm.` i hope dray will `hugs you` ducky |
| Magic stick is fine the way it is...Dray don't complain and don't contrast things now and back in the day with mouz. things have changed it's time for you to change also. Sorry, I know they are mean but it's reality and truth. |
loda's right, magic stick is a GREAT item, but not too "great" to be called imbalanced, besides what item would pusher have besides boots and wards? jkjk  |
| It's balanced. Just not fair against a few heroes in lane. |
| 6.48b no magic stick SO ITS BAD ITEM |
| #10 +1 |
| +1 guys! Full support for you 2! |
| +1 on Loda |
| +Improves survivability of support heroes +Gives mana for spells -Makes killing on lanes harder -Too cheap -Too easy to use While it's not "OMG 1% HP REGEN HOT" imbalanced, I agree the item could use a small remake. By that, I don't mean tweaking the price or the hp from one charge value. Something that would make it more exciting and more a situational item. There were many nice idea's in the previous MS thread. I especially liked the idea from meRzinator, making it loose charges after time. This makes it weaker on lane against heroes like Zeus or Bristleback, but it remains strong in bigger fights. It could also be changed like the blink dagger - disabled after receiving damage. This change would MS less of a defensive item while keeping the offensive functions. Or perhaps make spells below 100 mana don't give charges. Overall, not the biggest problem in DotA right now, but I hope it won't be ignored. |
| great job Loda&Dray for discussing about balacing game mechanics, maybe if more pros would join in, we'd get a more accurate balance of the game, keep it up No matter what the people who want to see bad blood between you two think. imo stick realy screws up bristleback though:p keep it up:) |
| #15 i think the whole purpose of this item was based on defensive functions. the whole offensive part sorta came along when ppl started buying it |
| magic sticks perfect I would say |
| It's good the way it is |
| #1 +1 |
| That one small, very cheap item can effectively remove two heroes from the game (Zeus, BB) tells you that Dray may be right in identifying an issue that needs balancing. Still, on the whole the aid it gives to key supporters and stunners outweighs negatives. Good discussion, don't listen to ones whining and crying about even raising the topic. |
| It's perfect the way it is! |
It's (magic stick) not really something that you could actually ABUSE. I like how it currently works.  |
| "because of TheSHIT!'s inability to farm" lol, that's lame, 13aby farms like hell |
Ducky Wrote: Just want to say a last thing about this matter, I don’t like you saying dota has got more booring to watch compared to 48.b. You are right about first team to get blink wins in 48.b. If ice frog choose to listen to you, the gameplay will look like this. Team winning early game wins the game. Win your lanes and you won the game. I don’t like it I think you gain SO MUCH already killing hero ganking, and its damn entertaining to see a team fight its way back into a game after beeing completely raped in the early game phase. Facts are these, you need to master all 3 phases of the game to win a game of dota. Maybe instead of crying about what is unstable in one of the best versions made you should sit down think a bit about what you could do better to master the mid game and late game aspects for your team. Everyone should so we could rice the level. So you want that if the teams play so much better in early game and are owning you with 20-5, you should be able to win the game by just overfarming/Turtling? You are basically saying that you should win the game even if they played a lot better in early game? Sorry, I just don't see the point in this paragraph... If they played better, they should win, if they won on the lanes, they outpicked you, or outlaned you, outskilled you w/e in all three situations, they should win. Saying all that, it just seems like you encourage turtling. And no matter do you like it or not, it is the fact that 6.48 was more interesting and action packed than last 15 versions... |
| oh gosh! I hate this ducky kid, he's being a dick to someone at the age of his father... post constructive comments or dont post at all ... |
| Nono I think u misunderstood me. Magic stick is imbalanced when you think about price/value ^^ Im just saying its an item that actually suits all heroes which makes it a bit more reasonable as an item. |
| I love this item <3 |
| magic stinks |
| i remember the time magic stick was introduced (it was more imba, had 0 cooldown) and every european "pro" noob actually said how useless this item is unless your against bristleback, otherwise dont buy it. i really dont understand this hypocrisy that plagued all top european players where they say 1 thing is bad and then when it turns out to be super-good, they whine about it. exactly happened through the earlier dota versions till now. do us all a favor and don't post your opinions, icefrog knows better. |
lol Ducky talking about TheShit's inability to farm, 4 months ago he was the weakest link in Fnatic and couldnt farm shit even thou he got a carry hero. And 8 months ago he was nobody  ouch! |
| What is great about Magic Stick is that you don't have to throw away those Ironwood Branches. And it's cheap. |
| #30 I agree, but Ice Frog actually balance the game by listening to the Pro's opinions. And yeah, it is funny how that item was almost "useless" but when it got Nerfs like cooldown of 17 sec, it became imbalanced and more used... And only thing I see "bad" about stick is that really is cheap, at least it needs a little bit higher cost, for 100 gold higher or something. |
| #25 The reason teams sometime win early game are cause they pick heros to win this stage of the game, if you don't managed to close the game early game then you just failed!. Ofcourse if you wanna have dota decided upon early game stage you should do as Drayich stated, but then there would be no reasons to pick some carry heros and that way you ruin some of the game and your back to the basic 20 heros again. Winning Early game hard with a mix of carry and gank heros and you should be able to pull it through, just finding the ballance. And BTW I never said "Dray's opinion on Magic Stick was because of TheSHIT!'s inability to farm". I said that the shit weakest force as I see it was to farm, and thats why he might see it sometime imposible to win games even when they rape the early game. Actually I agreed a bit with the magic stick beeing a powerfull item and described what nerf I would fit it best in my opinion. The headline I regret a bit though didn't mean to offend anyone with this just think Drayich didn't consider what he might could do better with his team instead of blaming it on the ver, wich I think is the best ever made. Reading my blog would help most of you haters to understand. |
| #25 i think that u dont understand cuz maybe u dont know how to own in this version?, i hated 48b cuz u only have to gain 2000 gold and GG, that is why ducky says "Facts are these, you need to master all 3 phases of the game to win a game of dota". i dont see it when he says farming or less ganking, is a fact that we love to see actives games, gankers and a lot of team fights, cuz lets face it, that is what we love about dota, no farming and just fighting(not even in my best dreams) is impossible, its get balanced at one point, but people, thats why dota allways evol, by the people opinions... long life to icefrog... Peace and Love God^s |
| #25 i think that u dont understang cuz maybe u r dont know how to own in this version?, i hated 48b cuz u only have to gain 2000 gold and GG, that is why ducky says "Facts are these, you need to master all 3 phases of the game to win a game of dota". i dont see it when he says farming or less ganking, is a fact that we love to see activesgames, gankers and a lot of team fights, cuz lets face it, that is what we love about dota, no farming and just fighting(not even in my best dreams) is impossible, its get balanced at one point, but people, thats why dota allways evol, by the people opinions... long life to icefrog... Peace and Love God^s |
| LOL this fk conex i posted 4 time WTF sorry :S fk shitty |
| #25 i think that u dont understang cuz maybe u r dont know how to own in this version?, i hated 48b cuz u only have to gain 2000 gold and GG, that is why ducky says "Facts are these, you need to master all 3 phases of the game to win a game of dota". i dont see it when he says farming or less ganking, is a fact that we love to see activesgames, gankers and a lot of team fights, cuz lets face it, that is what we love about dota, no farming and just fighting(not even in my best dreams) is impossible, its get balanced at one point, but people, thats why dota allways evol, by the people opinions... long life to icefrog... Peace and Love God^s |
| why is dray ranting so much? Magic stick is a viable and not overpowered item |
| if they want it to be less against gangs, they could ad a cooldown on the charges. so its good against spamers, but in a gang you just get one charge and not 3, 4 , 5 depends on how many spells are used. |
| I think it's just too cheap. Other than that, #10 already said it all. |
| I think Magic Stick is balance, but if they really want to change it why not make it like Dagger that has cooldown whenever you got damaged by a hero. |
| Lol @ all ignorant Dray ass kissers, Ducky is completly right about the hole game, if you want to win, you need to find balance between ganking, pushing and farming, early game, mid game, and late game, he's completly right, if the game was just a gank fest wtf is the point of having over 90 heroes? It would made 70% of the heroes completly useless, farm is a part of Dota, the game you talking about without any turtling or farming and all games end at 20 mins, it's NOT the same game Icefrog designed, wtf is that game? A game you played on super nintendo or? Icefrog designed over 90 heroes for a purpoes, he designed farming, ganking, early game, mid game, late game for a purpoes. I couldn't have said it better then you Ducky, just ignore the Dray fanboys here please without having any use of their brains whatsoever. |
| it is good...no need to rework or remove i think... |
| Magic stick is just so unfair to spamable spell heroes like Zeus, Bat, BB. This is just pure nerf to that heroes implemented in item. That item is imba beceause u got +9 stats for silly price and with option to brust restore hp and mana and some kind of good regeneration. Its imba beceause its good in any situation for all heroes in all games. And that is good for no one, beceause its slowes the game, its is defensive item that spoils ganks force farming mode that Loda likes im not telling anyone how to play to win the game, but my wish is to improve the game and make it more dynamic |
| "Or perhaps make spells below 100 mana don't give charges." Great idea, it would solve the problem with imbalanced countering some different heroes on line by item worth 200 golds. lol I don't think it's really bad that it helps to survive to support heroes and carry heroes anyway often don't even buy it. So no problem here. |
| show dem tities |
| #44 That's a bizarre statement. Exactly who are the "ignorant Dray ass kissers"? |
| @30 that was before we could upgrade "magic stick" into "magic wand" now every body can use the early ironwood andd keep the + 3stat into one slot on magic wand so it's basically a must have item for a lot of support, boot wand ward and go it will be the same for the urn of shadow, every low hp support will have it soon, hp + mana + charge = better gank possibility |
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