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SilentCat @ 22nd July 2011 00:18 (Read 10699 times).

Hello I'm Cat4KM from former H2k dota team. We've been part of H2k for some time now, and before signing the contracts (in which are clauses for at least 3 lans per year) we were promised for going to asus and if achieving top 3 to go to china on WDC after Asus. We also tried to get an invite for gamescom but seems that our inactivness left us with not much reputation to be invited to such events.

The story revolves mostly around Kevin Mikkelsen (COO of H2k Gaming) James Robert Gardner (not exactly sure what his job was except stay in touch with us) Aaron Simons (CEO of H2k gaming), H2k CoD 4 player OFNAA and the dota team.

Anyway about a week ago when we played against SGC 1 player from H2k gaming (who's playing Call of Duty 4) came to dota channel on h2k teamspeak. He started talking while we were playing so we said we'll talk to him after game. He informed us about a lot of stuff, such as their team being denied going to some lans, that they haven't recieved anything except a server from H2k since their joining to the team 10 months ago, and that the CEO of h2k is threatening him that he will sue him on court if he didn't send money to the organization (30% goes to the organization - says in the contract). I understand his decision fully that he didn't want to send any money to the organization - since they haven't shown them anything except empty words and plus in contract there is nothing saying about online won prize money, only about offline (LANs). He also said he denied joining other top organizations to play for H2k since it was a team with a long history and former great teams. He also said that Aaron has left H2k organization and that probably noone will go to any lans. So Aaron came to teamspeak, and we started talking to him and he said that he had nothing to do with H2k anymore and about James'es promises. He said that in his view there is very little chances that H2k can get enough funds in order to send us to Asus. Also he said that James has been banning him from every possible ways of contacting any of the team members. He joined teamspeak on another account and a lot of things happened like teamspeak server falling down a couple of times, people being banned and so on. After all that stupid internet "out-smarting" we started to talk to James who still kept saying his "Alice in wonderland story". OFNAA said to him a couple of times that how does he plan to gather enough money for both teams (cod and dota) to go to lans. After going through some numbers we realized he's not talking about facts, just that his words are simply impossible to trust.

Skype convo between James and Aaron:
[21:57:37] James Robert Gardiner: no i didnt
[21:57:39] James Robert Gardiner: never said i kicked u
[21:57:44] James Robert Gardiner: i said we parted ways.
[21:57:46] Aaron Simmons: you have :)
[21:57:53] Aaron Simmons: logs of you saying it james
[21:57:54] Aaron Simmons: :)
[21:58:02] James Robert Gardiner: show?
[21:58:04] Aaron Simmons: teams are showing me everything
[21:58:20] James Robert Gardiner: well i dno what uve proved here
[21:58:23] James Robert Gardiner: rather than just leaving fine
[21:58:27] James Robert Gardiner: you have destroyed it
[21:58:36] Aaron Simmons: i aint destroyed it
[21:58:42] Aaron Simmons: just warning the teams :)
[21:58:49] James Robert Gardiner: asif its all my doing?
[21:58:51] Aaron Simmons: as its impossible to get 2500
[21:58:56] Aaron Simmons: :)
[21:59:06] Aaron Simmons: you signed the contracts

After some quarreling we found out a new info, that James Robert Gardiner gave the money that was saved for our Asus trip to a GOW XBOX team from UK.

Skype conversation log between our manager Urke and Kevin:
[11:14:52 PM] Uros Krvavac: james
[11:14:53 PM] Uros Krvavac: droped
[11:14:57 PM] Uros Krvavac: our (dota) budget
[11:14:59 PM] Uros Krvavac: on GOW
[11:15:10 PM] Kevin Mikkelsen: Right .

At all times when we were talking to James I had a feeling he barely listened to us, replying with "mhm" "aha" and "right". We also agreed with OFNAA that we will publish this online so that people know what happened. The quarrel kept going, with a couple of nice lines coming from a CEO on skype:

[23:19:03] Kevin Mikkelsen: Uros started threatening h2k and Me
[23:19:07] Kevin Mikkelsen: that's my line
(meaning, that's his excuse for our reaction - release on news, etc)

As tension was rising we started quarreling and James ended up loosing his nerves leaving teamspeak saying "both of your contracts are terminated". The rest of the evening was pretty much us talking with OFNAA about what to do and so on. We agreed that we'll keep in touch via Steam. The next day we were informed that Jerry Wikkeling (the guy who generally controls everything) said that he will make sure everyone will get their promises.

[23:21:53] James Robert Gardiner: Jerry runs the invoicing for H2k through his own company, yes. Not a problem there?

Unfortunately I have only andre pasting what he said:
<H2k|ANdre> : I will look at it tomorrow. And send out a teams to the event that has been promised if im informed correct

Well yesterday we were finally informed, not by anyone, but by his blog: http://h2k-gaming.eu/blogs/3444 that H2k is no more.

We started to look for an organization the next day everything happened on teamspeak etc, but it's hard to find one that will pay for Asus on such a short notice. I've been in contact with some organizations but most of them are either not willing to pay or offering low amount of money (500 euros) which is not even 1/3 of what our plan was for bootcamp + Asus. We're also in contact with a couple of individuals who said they were interested, so who knows, maybe we'll eventually go there.

I did some research about these "partnership" contracts with a lawyer and guess what... They are not valid without sending your passport scans, which we didn't do. They don't have company info on the end where your signature is. It says "Applicable laws and venue: This agreement shall be governed and interpreted accorting to the substantive laws of The Netherlands." and not Republic of Serbia as well. (another mistake) "Player can not use other products which can be considered as competitive to H2k-Gaming's sponsor while playing official games" funny since we didn't recieve any gear.

After the incident I've looked at our contracts again and said to Urke that they're not valid and we must make new ones. I also said what I want to be changed and unless they changed it that I don't see no reason for staying in H2k anymore.

Anyway all in all, we said we'd attend Asus and WDC, I'm very disappointed that we won't be able to. (probably) We have a great desire to go, we just need to get a new organization that can keep it's promises. It was easy in Tribal.int to organize anything, you had serious people behind it all, people who make you feel like you're where you're suppose to be and not waste your time trying to figure out whose responsible for what, to negotiate with kids about money that you were promised. Last year we tried to find a sponsor for ESWC based on an invite, I even published some newspaper articles, e-mailed 15 domestic biggest companies in Serbia (recieved 0 replies) called city major and now, when you think you've got the organization everyone thought to be the right one, this happens.

comments

Bb0y 10 months ago

Well i just have to say that what happened with your team is your fault too. Before you sign with someone you should look for is past and back round. Everyone in esports knows that h2k isn't a serious orga, but you were dumb enough to sign with them. And don't believe in Aaron, because he is full of bullshit too.

Peace.

Hope you find a serious orga soon.

zDOG (Division Leader DotA) 10 months ago

Sad to hear it. Best of luck with finding some new sponsorship :/

ciaNo 10 months ago

That sucks.

Btw hi silentcat

BroSnail 10 months ago

Lesson learned and good luck in the future.

IbZzI- 10 months ago

sad story man.. goodluck in your search.. hope u guys make it :)

ImCh1efPeasant 10 months ago

@3, they have CM in HoN?

H2k.ANdre 10 months ago

everything that has to do with the guy on the teamspeak in article, is related to James, not Kevin. Kevin just said that he doesn't want to have anything with it since that is between Aaron and James, what was happening. so, the guy in charge of our division, didn't even wanna talk to us.

SilentCat 10 months ago

#1 I've played for tribal and srs without even signing any contracts, recieved a lot of money for many lans for it. it doesn't matter what's in contract, it's only a technical issue, who's sponsoring you is more important.

oh and heya ciano ))

MrBlue 10 months ago

So the organization just folds like that? Thats uber dodgy. They have some reliable sponsors.

#10

Infinityyy 10 months ago

fuck ... i love h2k they are better than all teams ... hope u will find sponsor before assus ... gogo serbs :) its so sad to get faked like that .. and btw where is buktop ?? silent ftw

#11

asuna 10 months ago

alot of sponsors are all talk and no work.
example: scythe.xinxin wanting to do 3x WDC and then bailed out cause he got "trolled" on ggnet forum.
best of luck in finding capable sponsors.

#12

AnubiA.DemoniC 10 months ago

Sad for H2K, but also sad for reliable sponsors, that a sponsor fluke like this -.-!

#13

Tjernobylbarnet (GosuBet team leader) 10 months ago

#11
Sad, but true.

Terrible news for you guys, hope you'll find some quick source of money/sponsorship.

#14

fnaticMSi.hxd 10 months ago

These guys are known in UK for being a bit dodgy in CoD4 scene, gl finding new sponsor

#15

Blue_Knight 10 months ago

Hope you guys find new and more sincere sponsors as soon as possible. I've been keeping an eye on some of the DCE oldschoolers in the scene and its been nice to see your progress. Good look for the future :)

#16

KuroKy- 10 months ago

good luck mare, you will find your luck by the of the road, I'm sure of it

#17

Astra 10 months ago

i told mitch that they wont give money 1 month ago

#18

c4-Fear- Denied comment. 10 months ago

#19

cilium 10 months ago

#18 :D:D +1

#20

YoSnail 10 months ago

Keeping on fighting for it, guys.

#21

Zeyall 10 months ago

Really sad to hear that... But without proper contracts there is nothing you can do against H2k.

Good luck finding a new sponsor, hope to see you competing on asus

#22

PeLaTis 10 months ago

I'm disappointed on sponsorships same things the same way.
i hope you find something fast and trust able, on my experience dealing with sponsors they are mostly kids behaving the wrong way which damage their own community.